Exactly. Both of these (low turnover wisdom propagation & "flat" infoscape) 
fail in my conception because they lack the concrete (definit) particulars. Even if we have 
one 400 year old vampire telling funny stories to a 30 year vampire about a now-exploded 
vampire from 700 years ago, the sheer *number* of anecdotes required to capture a 400 year 
lifespan *forces* some abstraction ... some leaving out of important detail.

And even if the concrete details of why, say, Galileo was such an OCD 
journaling nerd can be found in biographies or whatnot, actually reading and 
learning about all the persnickety nonsense that was *crucial* to the arrival 
at, emergence of, any given inflection point, ... even if that concrete detail 
is logged/documented out there somewhere, nobody can learn it all. Each learner 
is forced to take an abstracted slice through it.

What the commitment to meat space interactions is, is a way to ensure that the 
concreteness remains ... at least within *some* small "open ball", you're 
getting a high-dimensional opportunity. I think of it in terms of the space vs time 
tradeoff and (yes, broken record) the parallelism theorem. Sure, a sequential system can 
simulate a parallel one perfectly, but only if you give it the time to do so ... and the 
amount of time it takes to do it is related to the amount of space the parallel system 
uses. Another way to think of it is the project management triangle: cheap, fast, or 
good. But those are low-dimensional. The space being balanced by organisms in the world 
is high-dimensional.

On 4/12/22 14:19, Steve Smith wrote:
Generations past (and under-mobile near-subsistence cultures today) have more 
intergenerational households and neighborhoods providing the heterarchical/holarchical 
connection/communication you suggest.   Or so my "just so" story relates.

The expansive breadth offered by global (near-instantaneous, global) 
communication/publication/relationship connections possibly makes up for that 
in the large, a major refactoring of problems and solutions.

I personally suffer from the lack of cross-cultural, cross-class experience of 
frequenting a neighborhood "watering hole" (pub/tavern/saloon) in the way Glen 
seems to enjoy (cultivate). My oldest regular drinking-philosophy buddy would be over 110 
today (he died over 20 years ago from alcohol-related illness) and until about 5 years 
ago I had a small cohort of 30ish imbibing interlocutors.  I blame COVID, but the reasons 
are probably larger and more nefarious.


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