Ha! 8^D
But neither the ANN clone, nor the *stereotyped* heuristics generated by an
autonomous car capture the high-dimensional opportunity I believe meat
organisms experience. Yes, the subsequent evolution of the ANNs and the
stereotyped out-group are more concrete than most synthetic minds. But my
claim, were I to actually hold it and try to state it more clearly, is that
meat, living in meat space, is more open than those 2 examples. It's the
openness that provides the meat with the opportunity. The ANNs and autonomous
car are more fixed, more closed.
However, I do believe machine intelligence *will* reach meat intelligence. But
it'll have to look a lot more like meat intelligence to do so. It's already
looking a lot more like meat intelligence than it was even 10 years ago. And if
we stay at this supralinear rate (or higher), it'll happen sooner than I, this
meat bag, thinks.
On 4/12/22 15:58, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Now it is entirely possible to take a massive pre-trained neural net like GPT3
and run it in two places at once or have different instances use a baseline and
take divergent paths from different training.
None of that is possible for humans, at least yet. Some autonomous cars even
know enough to be afraid of the police! (Regarding concreteness.)
https://electrek.co/2022/04/10/gm-cruise-autonomous-taxi-pulled-over-by-police-in-san-francisco-without-humans-bolts-off-u-cruise-responds/
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics
Exactly. Both of these (low turnover wisdom propagation & "flat" infoscape)
fail in my conception because they lack the concrete (definit) particulars. Even if we have
one 400 year old vampire telling funny stories to a 30 year vampire about a now-exploded
vampire from 700 years ago, the sheer *number* of anecdotes required to capture a 400 year
lifespan *forces* some abstraction ... some leaving out of important detail.
And even if the concrete details of why, say, Galileo was such an OCD
journaling nerd can be found in biographies or whatnot, actually reading and
learning about all the persnickety nonsense that was *crucial* to the arrival
at, emergence of, any given inflection point, ... even if that concrete detail
is logged/documented out there somewhere, nobody can learn it all. Each learner
is forced to take an abstracted slice through it.
What the commitment to meat space interactions is, is a way to ensure that the
concreteness remains ... at least within *some* small "open ball", you're
getting a high-dimensional opportunity. I think of it in terms of the space vs time
tradeoff and (yes, broken record) the parallelism theorem. Sure, a sequential system can
simulate a parallel one perfectly, but only if you give it the time to do so ... and the
amount of time it takes to do it is related to the amount of space the parallel system
uses. Another way to think of it is the project management triangle: cheap, fast, or
good. But those are low-dimensional. The space being balanced by organisms in the world
is high-dimensional.
On 4/12/22 14:19, Steve Smith wrote:
Generations past (and under-mobile near-subsistence cultures today) have more
intergenerational households and neighborhoods providing the heterarchical/holarchical
connection/communication you suggest. Or so my "just so" story relates.
The expansive breadth offered by global (near-instantaneous, global)
communication/publication/relationship connections possibly makes up for that
in the large, a major refactoring of problems and solutions.
I personally suffer from the lack of cross-cultural, cross-class experience of
frequenting a neighborhood "watering hole" (pub/tavern/saloon) in the way Glen
seems to enjoy (cultivate). My oldest regular drinking-philosophy buddy would be over 110
today (he died over 20 years ago from alcohol-related illness) and until about 5 years
ago I had a small cohort of 30ish imbibing interlocutors. I blame COVID, but the reasons
are probably larger and more nefarious.
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