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On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen <[email protected]> wrote:

 That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. ActivityPub is 
fundamentally different.I guess the premature registration is reasonable, given 
the politics of the moment. But the 'fediverse' really is distributed, very 
unlike twitter. I really love that the Gab twits ported to Mastodon. That, 
unlike Musk's perverted conception, is a real example of free speech. You 
really are free to turn open source and open protocol to your weirdo 
subculture. We just don't have to link to you.

Don't think 'twitter-like'. Think 'decentralized'.

On November 6, 2022 5:51:40 PM EST, Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads and Twitter vs 
Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of alternative recommendations:

https://alternativeto.net/

which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes it obvious how 
challenging "too many choices" can be...

After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to abandond Twitter-like 
things altogether.  I doubt I will be willing to throw GoodReads over for 
anything else because of the participating base of my own personal/family 
network there.   I can at least avoid clicking through a GoodReads 
recommendation to order from Amazon.

https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/

I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net itself...

Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of "commons")?


On 11/4/22 3:00 PM, glen wrote:
I'd forgotten about this until the release yesterday:

https://joinbookwyrm.com/



On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote:

On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
Thanks, Glen.

It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic reference url that one 
could use to name a book that only conveyed the thing in itself.  Goodreads was 
that once, then Amazon bought them.  Ditto for video and audio recordings and 
other objects of public interest.

I admit to continuing to use Goodreads this way in spite of two problems... the 
Amazon affiliation/ownership of course, but also the too often spotty 
reviews...  I don't provide many nor particularly good reviews myself, so I've 
no room to complain really.

So I suppose I agree with your "public bibliographic reference url" point.   It 
seems as if Wikipedia is a good candidate but I haven't done the work to 
understand how new entries are made... are they always required to be made by a 
citizen of the community who is NOT affiliated with the book (publisher, 
author, etc)? I find a *lot* of the books I seek in Wikipedia and prefer them 
for reference when their book-description (and cross links to related works, 
author, etc) are particularly apt, but that is also spotty.   I use Goodreads 
mostly to follow what family/friends are reading and what *they* think of their 
reads.

The trend toward crowd-sourced public-use corpii being acquired by private 
interests (even public corporations are private interests) is disturbing (FB 
<-Mapillary, Amazon<-Goodreads)...   Twitter->BoringCo, etc)


Eugenia Cheng has other books and a pile of youtube videos.  Interestingly, her 
primary institutional affiliation is the Art Institute of Chicago, where as 
resident scientist she teaches math to art students.  She has a public reading 
for kids scheduled in Jersey City this month.  Her definition of category 
theory is "the mathematics of mathematics" which she expands as "the logical 
study of the logical study of logical things."

Hasok Chang has a third book, Is Water H2O, which Amazon fails to index on his 
amazon author page, though it is on amazon at a blistering price in every 
available format.  I found a pdf on the internets.  It's details the history of 
working out the chemical identity of water. Two themes are that 1) the 
consensus answers to scientific questions often change in anticipation of the 
arrival of corroboration, 2) there are often multiple acceptable answers to 
scientific questions.  These are possibly consequences of being a realisitic 
realist.

Interesting set of recursions...  we CS types tend to love our arbitrary-depth 
recursion, but the special cases like double-negatives, and Rummy's unkown 
unknowns and now Chang's logical logicologoy of logics and realistic realists 
are ... *special*?  While some may prefer "turtles all the way down" sometimes 
just a few turtles deep suffices?

- Steve

PS... couldn't help hearing/reading "Cheech&Chong" on the first reading of this 
thread.


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On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 9:57 AM glen 
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

    There. I fixed that for you. 8^D

    On 11/1/22 19:36, Roger Critchlow wrote:
    > Interesting visit with my old boss/friend today, he mentioned some books 
of interest, and while looking for them I discovered yet another book.
    >

    
https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-joy-of-abstraction-an-exploration-of-math-category-theory-and-life-eugenia-cheng/18557720?ean=9781108477222

    > Exploration-Category-Theory/dp/1108477224>
    > Eugenia Cheng, The Joy of Abstraction: An Exploration of Math, Category 
Theory, and Life, published October 2022.
    >
    > A presentation of category theory that keeps the underlying algebra basic.
    >

    
https://bookshop.org/p/books/inventing-temperature-measurement-and-scientific-progress-hasok-chang/9513488?ean=9780195337389

    > Hasok Chang, Inventing Temperature: Measurement and Scientific Progress
    >
    > An itemized history of temperature and all the wrong turns taken along 
the way, more detail than even the author cares to read again.  Poetic justice 
to examine the operation of the pragmatist's ratchet and pawl over the 
centuries as it rescues workable definitions of temperature from thermal 
confusion.
    >

    
https://bookshop.org/p/books/realism-for-realistic-people-a-new-pragmatist-philosophy-of-science-hasok-chang/18368583?ean=9781108470384

    > Hasok Chang, Realism for Realistic People: A New Pragmatist Philosophy of 
Science, available on kindle on November 30, 2022.
    >
    > -- rec --

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