Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > > Well, the question is: do we need its features beyond what is offered > > by wiki? > > Hmm, it's exactly my question. I didn't want to support axiom-wiki, > because I didn't like it so much and as you see the effort it takes to > make it work is quite amazing.
Well, real time was long but I would not call it a big effort. There were many reason for slow progress, but most had little to do with axiom-wiki. One thing which caused delay was size of virtual machine we got from Bill: at some moment I had to delete the unpacked virtual disc to free space. But handling the virtual machine was necessary to restore content, and would have to be done to migrate to other system. > > You have it running now, so it's not an immediate need to change > something, but I was not asking about the "wiki". "Wiki" is to vague a > concept as that I would know what *you* understand by it and how it > differs from mine. > > So I ask you again. What features do you want? And I expect an answer > like this > a) everyone (or only trusted users?) should be able to edit the site. > b) it should be possible to post fricas snippets and the site would > compute and show the result > c) ... You forgot about rendering math. My impression is that for wiki there is a lot of choice, but for math wiki much less. > What are you wishes? > > a) Can easily be done by any content management system or even have it > for free by a wiki at github. > > b) I would rather like something similar to the sage notebook. As you > know I have a temporary version here. http://fricas.risc.jku.at/ > I'm currently still investigating how to get just the sage-notebook > software (without sage) easily installed as a frontend for FriCAS. If > that is completed then we could run something similar to > http://sagenb.org/ (or at least something where selected people could > post their worksheets since I don't have the resources to let thousands > of users run fricas on that server). > > In other words, from my point of view, I don't need mathaction. The > content is interesting (after revision), but not the underlying software. How good is Sage notebook at editing math (as opposed to showing results of computation)? Can it work as a math wiki: allow editing by everyone using lightweight markup? > > There is also time and effort factor. > > There are two factors. > > 1) Maintaining the underlying software stack for the website > 2) Maintaining/expanding the content itself. > > I'd like to reduce the effort for (1). That was why I was starting > http://hemmecke.github.com/axiom-wiki/mathaction.html > Here is the corresponding git-repo of these html page. > https://github.com/hemmecke/axiom-wiki > Editing would be done via pushing to this git repo. IMHO edits via git are too "heavy" for a wiki. You would have to add some easy front end and effectively this front end is an another wiki system. > > Let me add that there is feature which current mathaction is missing > > but I consider essential, namely backups in "neutral format" (as > > opposed to binary dumps). > > What do you mean by "neutral format" and what "binary dumps" do you > -refer to? For example XML. Look at Wikipedia dumps: they encode all information in XML and another application can read the data and process it with relative ease. Some system dumps their databases in form of SQL statements -- that is also readable to "foreign" applications. Currently to get "full" backup we need the whole hard disk of VM, in crudest form dumping hard disc image. In principle dumping Zope database, that is 'Data.fs' should do, but ATM there are some problem with this and of course 'Data.fs' is a binary blob. -- Waldek Hebisch [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FriCAS - computer algebra system" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fricas-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
