-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Somebody claiming to be Russell McOrmond wrote: >On Jan 28, 2012 6:17 PM, "Stephen Paul Weber" <[email protected]> >wrote: >> One thing I don't see discussed anywhere, but that I'm curious to other's >> opition's on, is the connection to GNU. The FSF has, IMO, been a little >> to "married" to GNU in the past. This is understandable, since RMS >> started them both, but has lead to some amount of weakening of the FSF's >> ability to represent/advocate *all* Free Software. > >FSF USA and the GNU project have close ties, but my understanding is >that FSF's in other countries are not structured similarily.
Right, which makes sense. >I'm also not sure what you are meaning as far as ability to represent all >Free Software. ... I've not personally seen any issues. I am quite >curious to hear about what you've observed. > >Are you by chance thinking GPL compared to other licenses, or copyleft >vs non-copyleft? The fact that GPL is closely associated with both FSF and GNU is certainly a part of it, but not the whole picture. Again, to be clear, I am not against GNU or the GPL. I personally have no direct issue with them. Some of what I have observed, is people talking about "FSF's brand of freedom" or "the embrace-extend practises of the FSF" and similar detrimental things because of their negative views of GNU's practises. People who hate DRM/TPM have in my hearing disparaged DFD because of ties to GNU. I am not saying this is rational, only that it has happened. Additionally the "GNU/Linux" debacle (debacle in that people do not understand what RMS is trying to promote with that, I think, and not that properly describing the OS as more than its kernel) has added to this sort of thinking WRT GNU, and thus WRT FSF. Additionally, I have seen projects (yes, by this point you are going to ask me to cite source material, since I seem to be blowing a lot of hot air. That is a fair point, though much that I have mentioned up to this point is anecdotal from conferences and such. If people want, I am willing to try perhaps to find some references, but I do not have them on hand and cannot guarentee my immidiate success) who wish to not even by identified as "Free Software" because that term is tied to the FSF and, ultimately, GNU, and they do not want to be seen as "another bloatware clone like GNOME" (paraphrasing from memory), etc, and thus identify with "Open Source", and yet define in their FAQ that "Open Source" is about freedom and rights, a concept much more in line with Software Freedom. So, this is a short (and way-too-anecdotal) summary of my high-level concern with close ties to GNU. - -- Stephen Paul Weber, @singpolyma See <http://singpolyma.net> for how I prefer to be contacted edition right joseph -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJPJJEhAAoJENEcKRHOUZze/UUP/2xNWgTlE/2Ie55yvRb1cqZ5 pO5LmHqJcILuzd6D+zSUk97PhjIlrieeNsVUW49utPe8/QZi96WPXq4kER/Af958 yh/Cwzv6vdmpRs6O6viT3B0TtqgwWg3OheFMUD4Fos6uqdY2PNGWBLfvzZhgJYsg bNjbtxBbeGdgK0xTRLqpPWSNjQQKpD5RpPDLStUU5Mf3UBwzbO7bWc6UmF23aLXP PFCclnoK2S4b3o22VwIs1+1m3arh49kVx/QIDZcxE3XeucpHz1IawENQrwVAGwG1 EeFpDTBdJ62VEFUy3JWnCmCF5K66nXH6qlHEsaZ8bvtzXfwEAhgvSjb2SqZ+9Jb6 9tf183bj2Tx7xGUHxnmmjMX7DMBonBdCTuSRLuicP/yNmiNzLP3JffdOnjqQgadH YEdey6Sk+8STKZNf/+cDyIFXgn5A9GeliKABY+f8JGC1rz7uKw4kZoI35TaLz3Od AmYSxbyYD3lYDX/8UKSZwqCqWirwnoSBemFbHxj9Q3egyeU33YdSg3+RsnsQE3F4 ibwXT+oNLf5xLYBf2UWkjo+4i6DdrTi8ILMmNYc9wFE3i5c8XQtHHJ4OnFtYo3VP 6E6aT/ojiava8qW0NYxwVrYjCprjKgK++LjYua3w0MGvgQa4CI4CFzHHPOiXk4Eh UpWuFYAv0cEEQumKpftD =5IMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ fsfc-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfc-discuss
