Im sorry, why is it 'worrying' that a vpn provider that was a UK business and was located in the UK, is subject to UK law?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Darren Martyn < d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com> wrote: > Again, I hope this does not fail to send. > The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite" recruitment channel was A: to recruit > some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some talented > programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more interesting > was the reasoning behind the name - by putting the developers and coders and > potential recruits in a channel named "Pure Elite", it was essentially an > ego boost for the new guys, made them feel valued, etc, when in fact most > were but pawns to be used (IMHO). > > This co-operation between VPN providers and LEO, while being nothing new - > remember how hushmail caved in - is indeed worrying for those of us who are > privacy advocates as well as security researchers. > > On a more direct note, Laurelei, do not presume that you know all there is > to know about them. Doing so would be foolish. (Now don't go assuming that I > hate you, I bear you bugger all ill-will, etc). > Good day. > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Laurelai Storm <laure...@oneechan.org>wrote: > >> Its all good dude. What really concerns me is that vpn providers might >> give over logs to oppressive regemes. TOR is starting to look better and >> better. >> On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, "GloW - XD" <doo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissed >> and >> > thinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time... >> > I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, and >> hopefully it >> > is just, cool. >> > :) >> > cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp >> > take care , >> > xd >> > >> > >> > On 28 September 2011 14:32, Laurelai Storm <laure...@oneechan.org> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p >> >> On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" <doo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hello Laurelai , >> >> > Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even >> know >> >> > where, legally, i stand anymore... >> >> > It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela. >> >> > I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just >> >> > happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and privacy, >> in my >> >> > channel on efnet, first as i saw it. >> >> > >> >> > Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a huge >> >> torrent >> >> > site, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but by the >> >> > frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely. >> >> > >> >> > This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is 'anon' and >> what >> >> > isnt. and thats a bad thing for us all. >> >> > To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing places >> like >> >> > Sony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to politics, >> whom >> >> in >> >> > turn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i think >> this >> >> is >> >> > the dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or whoever was >> apart >> >> of >> >> > it, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs. >> >> > Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but not >> alone >> >> by >> >> > being in channels but that network, is one federal hideout now..and, >> that >> >> is >> >> > every channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module >> >> > m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had without realising, >> >> asked >> >> > a friend, to code for them. >> >> > This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the module >> running >> >> now. >> >> > So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode to it :s >> look >> >> at >> >> > what they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced drinemon and >> a >> >> > bunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked out with >> >> > words.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this is >> mutual >> >> > Laurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn, expect >> the >> >> same. >> >> > Respect for respect dear. >> >> > I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see, am not >> >> holding >> >> > 9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago, over one >> >> idiotic >> >> > kid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So, i want >> >> that, >> >> > to be laid rest now.. please. >> >> > And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will prevail and >> >> > hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some way, >> wether >> >> > that be by showing people email interaction with requester's of >> peoples >> >> > info, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard for VPN, >> I >> >> do >> >> > not use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactly >> >> that,without >> >> > political interaction and grey areas about who and what is now legal >> and >> >> not >> >> > legal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites. >> >> > ok, thats plenty, cheers! >> >> > xd >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laure...@oneechan.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma. >> >> >> On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD <doo...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> #pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P >> >> >> >> hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... >> why >> >> do >> >> >> ppl >> >> >> >> tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not... >> >> >> >> ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks) >> >> >> >> xd >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn >> >> >> >> <d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... But >> seeing as >> >> it >> >> >> is >> >> >> >>> an international investigation many people have been bending >> over >> >> >> backwards >> >> >> >>> to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN's of >> >> choice >> >> >> for >> >> >> >>> them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elite >> channel >> >> on >> >> >> that >> >> >> >>> IRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as "Part of >> >> >> LulzSec". >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> TL;DR, this is nothing new. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm < >> >> laure...@oneechan.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloa...@gmail.com >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . <ivan...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html >> >> >> >>>> > Though HMA claims they complied with a court order, it looks >> as >> >> if >> >> >> >>>> > they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and the >> FBI >> >> have >> >> >> no >> >> >> >>>> > jurisdiction in the UK. >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > Jeff >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> >>>> > Charter: >> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> >>>> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Ferenc Kovács >> >> >> > @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >From my understanding they used the channel as a possible >> recruitment >> >> >> ground, though only 6 people were officially a part of lulzsec , i >> find >> >> it >> >> >> disturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc channel >> >> tantamount >> >> >> to being a part of lulzsec. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >
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