Yes... really dumb people sometimes need very explicit boundaries.
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Benjamin Brown wrote:
> For what it's worth some good may come out of this in the form of a
> positive precedent for other courts to draw upon.
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Paris <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> ...or the boundlessness of sheer stupidity.
>
> On 2/18/2010 11:29 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> > Never underestimate the arrogance of power.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> [mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>]
> > On Behalf Of Joel Esler
> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:56 PM
> > To: Dan Kaminsky
> > Cc: funsec; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [funsec] big brother at school
> >
> >
> >
> > And this is why I am not a lawyer I guess, cause I'm with Dan. I
> can't
> > think of any defense the lawyer would have.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dan Kaminsky<[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> > "In loco parentis" tends to be pretty powerful, but you know what's
> > even stronger? Castle doctrine. It wasn't just the kid that got
> > violated, it wasn't even particularly the kid that got hit. The
> > school dropped a camera into the parent's home.
> >
> > "It's OK, I was just trying to secretly take pictures of your kid in
> > his bedroom" isn't exactly the greatest defense the world has ever
> > seen.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Brown<[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Just something to chew on: A number of court decisions (press me
> > harder and
> >> I can search for the titles) rule in favor of the administration of
> > public
> >> schools in cases that would have otherwise been seen a pure violation
> > of a
> >> student's rights. These cases often invoke an argument of In loco
> > parentis
> >> for the administration. Though in every case I have read the rulings
> >> concerned actions taken on school grounds or within close proximity.
> > This
> >> case involves school property (the laptop), but occurs at the
> students
> > home.
> >> I am curious how this shakes out and what the court ruling (and
> > inevitable
> >> appeal ruling) will say.
> >>
> >> My 2 dinars =)
> >> -Ben
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon&
> >> Hannah<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Date sent: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:28:13 -0600
> >>> From: RandallM<[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>> http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/18/24789.htm
> >>>
> >>> "A federal class action claims a suburban school district has been
> > spying
> >>> on
> >>> students and families through the "indiscriminant use of and ability
> > to
> >>> remotely
> >>> activate the webcams incorporated into each laptop issued to
> > students,"
> >>> without
> >>> the knowledge or consent of students or parents. The named
> plaintiffs
> > say
> >>> they
> >>> learned that Big Brother was in their home when an assistant
> > principal
> >>> told their
> >>> son that the school district knew he `was engaged in improper
> > behavior in
> >>> his
> >>> home, and cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam embedded in
> > minor
> >>> plaintiff's personal laptop issued by the school district.'"
> >>>
> >>> Always possible that the allegations are wrong or overstated,
> but, on
> > the
> >>> face of it,
> >>> sounds like this school district could be in very serious
> trouble ...
> >>>
> >>> (Cue comments about protecting children, and being willing to
> give up
> >>> personal
> >>> freedoms for a worthy cause, etc ... )
> >>>
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> >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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> >>> What you ... call a poor signal-to-noise ratio is the 'glue' that
> >>> holds a community together, that lets us recognize one another as
> >>> people rather than roles. - Anton Aylward
> >>> victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm
> <http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm>
> > blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html
> <http://blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html>
> >>> http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/
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