I'm not sure what the person means about programming only after having
the first template. If they mean that they need more info (form fields,
for example) before beginning a prototype, I would agree with
them...cautiously. While such an approach may prove fruitful, it's often
an excuse for not doing the really necessary thing. 

Steve Nelson says that "scope creep" is just a pejorative term for a
process that's natural and necessary for users to go through. I agree
completely. The prototype creates a safe environment for "scope creep"
to occur. If the user could really specify exactly what was needed, we
wouldn't need a prototype. We could go from requirements to code. This
is exactly the process that has landed us into such hot water with high
failure rates. In fact, this tendency is so built into programmers that
I think for most of us, the only way we're willing to look at the world
anew is by having enough pain from failures. At least, that was true for
me.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Jonathan Kopanas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 12:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLiP and Prototyping


Thanks.  I agree with you totally now the hard part is not trying to
convince the clients but to convince people I work with.  If I was to
ever write a book on Software Engineering I would have to steal your
quote Hal and put it on the cover of it:

"If you don't have time to do it right, how will you find time to do it
over?"

I am creating Montreal's CFUG website right now and this is the first
project I am using the FLiP process.  I have done the wireframe and now
I am on to the prototype.  One of the people I work with who does the
HTML integration always tells me I should program only after having the
first template because coding HTML takes so long compared to
programming.  What do you say to a person like that?

Thanks.

> I highly recommend that the entire front end of an application be 
> created as part of the prototype process. I have seen many, many 
> failures occur when prototyping is either skipped entirely or (more
> commonly) not treated seriously enough.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jonathan Kopanas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:27 PM
> To: Fusebox List
> Subject: FLiP and Prototyping
>
>
> In FLiP when you refer to prototyping do you prototype the whole site 
> i.e. do html pages for practically the whole site or just 2 to 3 
> templates?
>
> Is there any tools other then devnotes used for prototyping in this 
> community?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John Jonathan Kopanas
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>

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