Chris, see*** Natalia ----- Original Message ----- From: Christoph Reuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Possible U.S. cutbacks?
> Natalia wrote: > > A continuously abused rape victim cannot be cured by foods and > > cleansing. You are a dreamer to think otherwise. > > Another strawman. I said that dietary improvements in society can reduce > violence, not that existing victims of violence can forget their past > experiences "by foods and cleansing". > ***Chris, you claimed that dietary improvements were going to address the root causes of violence. I can see that you are at a loss for answers to my specific questions. > > > Aggression is a problem that is thousands of years old, not just > > a recent epidemic. The soil wasn't always as poor as 10% of that of > > organic/biological earth, > > Malnutrition is not only a matter of soil quality. Throughout history, > human diet has been mostly deficient in many important nutrients, because > the range of available food items was usually quite limited. With > industrialization, the diversity of available items increased, but > unfortunately, food processing and "refinements" (white sugar and white > flour) was introduced, which deprived food of essential nutrients. > Also, pollution with neurotoxins such as mercury and lead increased > strongly. Alcohol and tobacco consumption further worsened things. > > So you see, it could still be true that your domestic violence was > influenced by these factors. > > ******I'm well aware of malnutrition factors, the problems with refined foods, and the essential nutrients that are missing. Pollution, too. And I do not disagree that the old man could have had a different diet and was influenced adversely. But you fail to grasp the basic problem of how he was raised badly, and how diet change would not influence his beliefs, his need for control, and sociopathic tendencies. These were taught, and to survive, he had to become insensitive to pain. But down the road, it always comes out in perverse form if the individual never sees another side to things. Fortunately I had a loving mother, and friends to show me what healthier living, and I don't mean diet, was about. Most violent people have no one to turn to in those formative years. No one to validate them in any way. > > and recent increased violence has more to do with > > social, especially educational/economic/environmental issues. Television > > condoning violence, sexual promiscuity and aggression, callousness, and > > immediate gratification (for foods, computers, market stocks), take a close > > second place. > > Of course, this has to be addressed too. But the modern epidemics of > autism, ADD and hyperactivity can hardly be blamed on TV movies -- > they are mainly due to modern dietary and toxic factors (e.g. mercury > from vaccines and high-copper amalgams, junk food). It seems that > you want to replace Prozac and Ritalin with painting and talking > (and perhaps marijuana), but that just won't work. ****That part in parentheses about marijuana, are you aware that you sound like a complete fool, who sounds more and more like they have a poor concentration problem? You even acknowledged in the last post that I stated I would never recommend pot to solve problems. Are you bating me because you have some addiction to conflict? > > ****I didn't say that autism, ADD and hyperactivity were the result of TV movies. I was talking about increased violence. Where do you get that I am suggesting replacing Prozac and Ritalin with painting? What are you on? I told you I am up on nutrition and environmental stressors. I know that diet is helpful for the aforementioned problems. I am also wise to vaccines as a big part of the problem. Only about 10% of people will be artistic, Chris. Programs like the one I was involved in addressed them, and it was not just about fine art but writing and poetry too. Mostly it was about peer support and self-expression. Educating the public about the stigmas around mental health issues was also important. We had professional art supplies, seminars on technique by professionals, workshops on coping with pain and reintegration back to community. There were many fine artists, many whose works we were able to sell for good money, though sales were not the focus. One fine artist we lost to suicide because his meds were changed abruptly, so he quit them abruptly. He knew a lot about nutrition, far more than you or I, and practised it too. Another we lost as a participant after he was diagnosed with ADD. He was put on Ritalin, and lost all desire to do the great art work he did daily. Another older artist was once a university art prof. Before he discovered the art centre, he would take swings at strangers in the street with his wooden leg, so violent was his world. He lost his wife and leg in the last war, and had no channel for creativity for a long time. Once he became a member, he was the most productive and amazing artist there. He was comparible to Picasso. Still think it was a waste of my time and theirs? > > Tell me, since you are reluctant to reveal the source(s) of all this > > knowledge, do you apart from your military experiences, have any direct > > experience with domestic violence? > > Personally I am blessed with wonderful parents who would have never > dreamed of beating me, nor each other. But I do know people who > have experienced domestic violence from perpetrators who had bad diets > and/or used drugs. (E.g. my father was beaten by his divorced mother > (who was a smoker) -- so much for your claim that domestic violence is > passed on from generation to generation.) > > ****So you knew a few families with bad diets who were violent. Anecdotal and not in high numbers for a solid base for statistics. Did you try to educate them on better nutrition? Did you ever try to help addicts in a significant way, such that you could actually speak from knowledge and experience? Though raised by a violent father, I am appalled by violence and do not practice it myself. So what? It will not affect everyone in the same way. The above about violence being passed on to the next generation is fact. If you read, you will come across facts pertaining to this. If you really get to know addicts, you will learn this for yourself. If you know a child beater, you will discover that their parents likely, to the degree of about 99%,did the same to them. > > Have you ever gotten to know any > > survivors? Oh, I just remembered, you claim to have "known" some cynical pot > > smokers. Have you gotten to know thousands of "addicts"? > > It would be pretty unscientific to rely only on anecdotal cases anyway, so > it's not really important how many cases I personally know. My conclusions > are drawn mainly from reading scientific literature on these topics. ****Scientific journals from pop culture are what you are following almost exclusively, by the sound of it. Serious science hasn't yet acknowledged this kind of research. Try some digging before taking on root causes, from all sides of the issues. Get to know your fellow man and woman. They should be found in your community somewhere, unless it's gated as much as your sensitivity around this topic, which characteristic seems to have been passed down to you from somewhere. Natalia > Chris > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the keyword > "igve". > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
