Natalia wrote: > I do not need to recognize my addiction to caffeine. I enjoy it as long as I > have it
The problem comes when you don't have the drug. Do you enjoy headaches too? The talk of "freedom" by the drug-legalization crowd is really Orwellian. Addiction and craving is the opposite of freedom. I enjoy my freedom of not needing caffeine, nicotine, alcohol and all the other junk. This way I am free of hangovers and of withdrawal headaches, nervousness, inability to concentrate, etc., and of the constant need to buy stuff from unethical businesses. > I'm sure it's no more of a concern than > your next ale, or mineral water, should you run out. If I get headaches from > not eating, am I also a hopeless addict in that respect? Your likening of water/food to drugs won't become correct by repeating it. Water and food are essential to living creatures, but drugs aren't. The best you can say is that the strength of addiction of one drug (marijuana) is relatively weak, that it can be used for medical purposes in some conditions (but only to tinker with symptoms, never to cure causes of illness), that it makes you _feel_ better (not to confuse with _being_ better!) for a while. > Don't give me this childish "you are not worthy of discussing > something with me "dismissal" cr-p. I never suggested that "you are not worthy of discussing something with me", I merely suggested that a constructive discussion can't be based on totally flawed comparisons (like water--drugs) and a line of strawman arguments. But here you come up with another strawman. > That is so like a loser trying to save > face, and I'm sure that you don't want people to think any such thing. > I have spent a lot of time helping many young people, and I deserve some > credit for my observations. You are not speaking from a very broad base of > information, and so far nothing from personal experience. Talking about losers trying to save face, you can't be serious to claim that you "helped many young people" when you actually talked them into addiction (or staying in it), by belittling and denying the backsides and dangers of drugs, the way you're doing on this list, even to the point of "not needing to recognize your addiction to caffeine" no matter how obvious the withdrawal symptoms are. A loser trying to save face will deny that there's a problem at all, no matter how obvious the symptoms are, and will encourage others to join the miserable voyage, just to pretend it's all fine. As drugs enhance self-deception and illusions, it's a vicious circle. Having worked in a bar, of course you have plenty of experience with addicts to all kinds of drugs (and you have received more than your share of passive smoking), but unfortunately it seems that you are unable to derive the right conclusions from that. (Better don't talk them out of addictions, or you would be fired immediately by the bar.) Namely, that the best thing is to stay clean from the start. Anyone who didn't "get" this --or even actively denies it-- is counterproductive to "helping many young people". Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the keyword "igve". _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
