My last post on this thread. The list members can judge for themselves.
Reducing per capita pollution whilst increasing the capitas is spinning
> wheels in the mud. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But the capitas are DEcreasing already in the developed world!
(Immigration is just a shuffling around, not increasing the overall number.)
2 points:
global pop increases by around 220,000 NET each day, so capitas are
increasing in most inhabited areas all the time.
those migrating INTO the developed world increase their footprints
several times what it was in the 'home' country. Thus inmigration is an
additional multiplier of footprints over and above the global pop
increase growth.
> It sounds like either techno-optimist Julian Simon
> (who had no clue about exponentials, saying the earth could grow
> population indefinitely)
You should know that I'm opposed to this clown.
GOOD!
> OR it assumes that humans are rational and will
> support a Technocracy (look it up) governance which is counter to our
> reptilian brain dominance (sex & emotion)
If humans are steered by their reptilian brain, why is the population
growth in developed countries (without immigration) already negative?
Some reasons: people with a fairly comfortable life, increasing womens
status, & only 2% labor needed for farming, found 2 wage earners more
satisfying to the life of consumption. The cost of educating, feeding,
and clothing kids in the developed world is very high, so few in the
middle classes opted for more than replacement fertility. Note, the
demands for pleasures like sex- protected or not-, good food, travel,
hobbies, status...are extensions of reptilian desires. They are
modified/fine tuned by culture and environment.
> Keith Hudson has it right!
Keith is peddling neo-con cave-man propaganda. It is true that neo-cons
are steered by their reptilian brain, but fortunately that doesn't apply
to civilized people.
nothing like normative judgments to clarify ones position ;-)
The challenge is to prevent the reptilian brains
from taking society back to the stone age and committing mass murder.
Good luck! Biology trumps abstraction in my judgment.
Spreading their propaganda and even asserting that everyone is like them
doesn't help to prevent that!
Propaganda is done by all sides. It is spin from religions, advertisers,
politicians.
The biological explanation (yes reptilian dominant) is relative
advantage. The tail of the Bell Curve with the power mongers won't go
away since a % of us always are trying to gert there. The fat middle of
the curve is on auto pilot with relative advantage at work to varied
degrees. The best fit get to the power tail. (I don't like them either!)
The other tail contains the most extreme voluntary simplicity and most
charitable types like Gandhi.
> > We have to keep in mind that "emissions trading" schemes (from the same
> > folks who make up these misleading metrics) are just a new variation of
> > stock-broker speculations / stock casino gambling by profiteers
> You'd better check just who developed the ecological footprint model at
> U of British Columbia :Mathis Wackernagel & Bill Rees (whom I know
> personally) Also see who is on the board of the Footprint Network and
> who funds them. You are dead wrong about them.
Well, let's see: www.footprintnetwork.org --> About Us --> At A Glance:
"Our efforts are fueled by a future vision in which human demand
on nature is monitored as closely as the stock market."
HA! English isn't your first language, so you are excused. They are
pushing for a new vision. Implied above is their negative view that
closely watching the stock market is misguided. (insert mentally: "is
now" at the end of the above sentence.) They want the externalities and
their effects watched closely, which is NOT the case now.
There you have it: That's the language of stock-broker speculators.
Funny!
> Also see who funds them.
I didn't find that. But I know that the president of the Global Footprint
Network foundation in Switzerland is André Hoffmann, who happens to be
vice-president of pharma-chemical corporation Hoffmann-LaRoche in Basel --
a polluter boss if there ever was one.
If you think people AREN'T mono dimensional robots, then maybe he is not
all bad. Some of us depend on those pharmaceuticals to keep us going.
And you are using an ad hominem argument here, tarring him with the
brush of all polluting industries (which ones aren't?)
You may have the last word.
Steve
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