It's a very old short term versus long term primal story of the West.
After the short term is sated then there is the retribution and the threats.
Democrats and Republicans maybe.  Anyway, Martin Buber says there are two
types of faith.   One that is grounded in history and the other must destroy
history in order to achieve redemption and start again.   Christianity,
Islam and Communism, eternal revolution and proselytizing.   And on and on
while the rest of us just try to survive the mess.    And they call us
Hunter/Gatherers.    But we aren't of course.   We pray for the soul of the
animals that provide us life.   Hunters do it for fun.   Hunters were
European royalty.   They still do it on horses chasing a fox in Virginia.
Actually this story is the reverse of Cain and Abel.    You have to learn a
lot just to get by in this world. 

 

REH

 

>From the Internet Bible:

Jacob and Esau were the sons of Isaac and Rebekah and the first twins
mentioned in the Bible. Even before they were born, they were struggling
together in the womb of their mother. Their prenatal striving foreshadowed
later conflict (Genesis 25:21-26
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Genesis%2025.21-26> ).

The twins grew up very different. Jacob was "a quiet man, staying among the
tents" and his mother's favorite. Esau was "a skillful hunter, a man of the
open country" and his father's favorite. One day, Esau returned from hunting
and desired some of the lentil stew that Jacob was cooking. Jacob offered to
give his brother some stew in exchange for his birthright-the special honor
that Esau possessed as the older son, which gave him the right to a double
portion of his father's inheritance. Esau put his temporary, physical needs
over his God-given blessing and sold his birthright to Jacob (Genesis
25:27-34 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Genesis%2025.27-34> ).

When the time came for Isaac to bestow his blessing on his sons, Jacob and
his mother contrived to deceive Isaac into blessing Jacob in Esau's place.
When Esau found that his blessing had been given to Jacob, he threatened to
kill his brother, and Jacob fled (Genesis 27:1 - 28:7
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Genesis%2027.1%20-%2028.7> ). Years later,
Jacob and Esau met and were reconciled (Genesis 33).

Both Jacob and Esau were fathers of nations. God changed Jacob's name to
Israel (Genesis 32:28 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Genesis%2032.28> ), and
he became the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. Esau's descendants were the
Edomites (Genesis 36). Edom was a nation that plagued Israel in later years
and was finally judged by God (Obadiah 1:1-21
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Obadiah%201.1-21> ).

In the New Testament, Esau's choice to sell his birthright is used as an
example of ungodliness-a "godless" person who will put physical desires over
spiritual blessings (Hebrews 12:15-17
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Hebrews%2012.15-17> ). By his negative example,
Esau teaches us to hold fast to what is truly important, even if it means
denying the appetites of the flesh. Both Old and New Testaments use the
story of Jacob and Esau to illustrate God's calling and election. God chose
the younger Jacob to carry on the Abrahamic Covenant, while Esau was
providentially excluded from the Messianic line (Malachi 1:2-3
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Malachi%201.2-3> ; Romans 9:11-14
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%209.11-14> ).

 

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:22 AM
To: 'Keith Hudson'; 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION'
Subject: Re: [Futurework] The approaching sanity

 

Interesting.  When the history of this time is written we may see how cheap
exports from China to US (and elsewhere) led to China holding US dollars
which were later used for a variety of things including buying up assets
everywhere and making inroads into the EU by buying Italian paper.  The
Walmartization of America seems to have led to a strange and unintended
outcome.  

 

arthur

 

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:26 AM
To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, , EDUCATION
Subject: [Futurework] The approaching sanity

 

Some credence has been given to my last paragraph of yesterday piece by the
news late yesterday that Italy's finance minister Tremonti appealed to
China's Investment Corporation last week to buy the next wave of Italy's
debt due on 15 September. The news apparently rallied Wall Street share
prices last night.

This oughtn't really to be a surprise. Italy's recent attempt at an
austerity plan is even more likely to cause country-wide strikes and a
collapse of its government than the present predicament in Greece. No-one
knows the outcome of the discussions. Furthermore, there's unlikely to be
any sort of public disclosure at any time.  More than likely, though, the
fragility of the Eurozone is now so extreme that some deep understanding
will have to be reached, and China will have to make some very important
decisions. From China's point of view, the Eurozone can't be allowed to
collapse if it's all possible. The Eurozone is not only an important source
of import goods (high grade machine tools, engineering know-how and luxury
cars, etc mainly from Germany), but the Euro itself is an important currency
ally against the ever-cheapening American dollar.

Also, if the Eurozone collapses, and many European banks are devastated,
then the effect on American banks (holding substantial European liabilities)
is such that America would likely plunge instantly into a deep depression.
China wouldn't want that to happen.  It's one thing for America to slide
slowly into recession, as it is patently doing right now, but it's quite
another if America unleashes yet more quantitative easing and devalues the
dollar at an even faster rate.  From China's point of view, America and the
Eurozone must both survive somehow for as long as possible until both accept
the necessity of a world-wide stable trading currency which China has been
calling for for years. 

Of the two problematiques, America is by far the more intransigent for
psychological reasons. Just as the opinion-setters of England (politicians,
civil servants and the media) experienced in the 1930s in trying to adjust
to its governmental debt and the demise of the British Empire (and the
necessity of constantly devaluing the pound), so America is experiencing the
same today. America was probably at its peak of power in the 1960s at the
time of taking on the communists in Vietnam -- and losing -- and it's been
downhill all the way since then despite its still numerous military bases in
many countries.  Its last big episode of invading Iraq, but now having to
leave the country with even more problems than it had before (with Sunni
terrorism of Shias running amok and without, as yet, America getting a drop
of oil from Iraq's massive undeveloped oilfields in the north), together
with America's increasing humiliation in Afghanistan by the Taliban, all
this eloquently demonstrates that America must now adopt a more humble role
in the scheme of things just as England had to (most of its intelligentsia
anyway).

If America continues with its dollar-printing strategy, thus maintaining
prime-mover advantage in cheapening its exports and subsequently throwing
increasing inflationary strains on China and the rest of the emerging world,
then it will be punished, just as England was. It won't be China that will
do the punishing. It will be the whole world market through the agency of
scores of central banks around the world, mainly of the emergent countries,
which are now buying gold as their ultimate safe foreign exchange reserve.
Since 1999, this increasing necessity has already produced as smooth an
accelerating price curve as any scientist could wish to see from an
experiment.

The price rise is due to go vertical by this time next year. Before then, at
levels of gold prices that will become approachably convenient to one
country after another, governments will decide to back their currencies by
the amount of gold in their central banks. And here the same prime-mover
advantage will obtain. Those countries who are the earliest to do so might
well suffer a brief hiatus of trade while their trading partners adjust but
will very quickly benefit while the free market price of gold continues to
rise. There won't be a panic crash in the gold price. There will be a more
or less panic flattening out. There will be a reversion to the illogical,
but yet status-driven, centuries-old obsession with gold that will once
again stabilize our financial systems and prevent money inflation for good
and all (just as happened in England all through the 19th century).

But just a final word to those steady-staters who, like me, think that the
advanced countries are already becoming locked into a particular urban-dense
way of life that will last for a very long while (while some of the other
countries -- but by no means all -- catch up), a non-inflationary world
currency doesn't mean stultification. Man's frontal lobes are too curious
for that. We will always be making discoveries and will always want to make
more. There's no reason why, in a world in which the mass of everything we
need by way of consumer goods will be made, freighted and sold by automated
methods, we should not also gradually carry out infrastructure changes that
will lead to a sustainable economic future that will be friendly to nature
and the amazingly fascinating world it displays about us.

Keith



Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com/2012/08/
  

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