I have found that cynicism in myself generally provides cover for a lack of 
action.  It is a dismissive strategy.

Cheers,
Lawry


On Apr 20, 2012, at 11:36 AM, michael gurstein wrote:

> Tom,
>  
> Why be cynical about something that is in large part a good news story...
>  
> There is so much quite legitimate bad news and bad judgement and bad faith 
> around that any glimmer of light even if flawed, is worth cherishing IMHO.
>  
> M
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Walker
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:14 PM
> To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION
> Subject: Re: [Futurework] Being Green Then and Now
> 
> By the way, what do people think of "Gross National Schadenfreude" as a 
> counterweight to the nauseatingly coy Gross National Happiness panacea with 
> their fairytale Bhutanese king? Where could OUR Bhutan be? Iceland?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just to be absolutely unambiguous, I'm as cynical as anyone about the 
> sincerity of the greenwashing industry -- "if you can fake sincerity, you've 
> got it made". My stuck-in-the-head quote these days is Orwell's "All 
> left-wing parties in the highly industrialized countries are at bottom a 
> sham, because they make it their business to fight against something which 
> they do not really wish to destroy." But it doesn't follow that all 
> right-wing parties are therefore NOT a sham.
> 
> I think one of the functions of schadenfreude is to reward and reinforce 
> cognitive dissonance. The ironic chuckle of "Being green then and now" is at 
> bottom a schadenfreude experience, which, in true cognitive dissonance style, 
> "absolves" the chuckler of his or her peccadilloes. 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Would you have in mind something along the lines of the aptly-named "Titanic 
> Eco-Spa"? Green buildings, spring water and towels and a "spa traveler 
> award". I kid you not.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Arthur Cordell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Would also add to the cute message that oh so many greenies are recycling
> this and that and then without a thought jump on a jet to go off to this or
> that conference or vacation spot without a thought as to what these and a
> host of other personal activities are doing that run counter to the religion
> of being green.
> 
> arthur
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Spencer
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Futurework] Re: Being Green Then and Now
> 
> 
> Tom Walker wrote:
> 
> > Cute but false and misleading.
> > [snip]
> > "Cute" bullshit is still bullshit.
> 
> Well, yeah.  But not any greater or more tedious bullshit than many of the
> putatively "green" odds & sods that we're expected (or forced) to embrace
> today, many of which (IMHO) are ways of externalizing some large entity's
> cost onto the consumer or create a profit ex novo.
> 
> Yes, the vast volumes of toxics and particulates fired up smokestacks, down
> drains and off tailings dumps before regulation outweigh, in global effect,
> plastic bags or gas lawn mowers.  The point of the "cute" piece was to
> ridicule self-righteous Greenness among those who adopt and evangelize the
> Green Consumer Catechism without critical thought or meaningful knowledge.
> 
> Or so I understood it.
> 
> 
> - Mike
> 
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