Sorry for all the hurried typos....corrections here: On the first question, all my research into the psycho-cognitive profiles of people suggests that there is no special identifier for social psychopaths. That is, the profiles of "normal" people and social psycho-paths (as defined by state- and non-state terrorists) are indistinguishably similar. Social psychopaths can only, it seems, be recognized by their behaviors, which is often too late.
If this is correct, then I would suggest that the only way to do something to diminish these kinds of massacres (or their counterparts in the military financial industry) is to raise kids properly to begin with. I believe that much of today's approaches to child-rearing are profoundly dysfunctional, and am wondering if they are dysfunctional to the point where they actually produce the occasional unself-controlled social psychopath? On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Ed Weick wrote: > You never really know, do you, not even if you've know a person for a long > time. Even then you can't be certain. Take the Russell Williams case. A > very senior military officer, a base commander, a very good pilot who flew > the Prime Minister's plane, and apparently, socially, not a bad guy at all. > But then, at night, he'd sneak out and collect panties, killing two women in > the process. Makes you want to watch everybody and keep your windows locked. > > And as far as men protecting women goes, it may stem from something buried > very deeply in the human genome: women may be more important to the > continuity of the human race than men. > > Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Hudson > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION ; D & N > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in > Aurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News > > At 15:16 23/07/2012, Darryl wrote: >> Add extreme abuse to those life histories as well. > > True, but what is particularly interesting (that is, disturbing) is that, > over the years, I've noticed that, from what one gains from newspaper > accounts, many of these mass/serial murderers superficially appear to have > been quite normal to those around them. They may be judged retroactively by > people who knew them in everyday life to have been a little lacking in the > normal range of warm human behaviours but nothing exceptional. Their parents, > too, don't seem to be out of the ordinary. On the other hand, many (if not > all) young men who are clearly sociopathic have usually acted violently all > through their school years and turn out to have had abusive or deeply > neglectful parents. > > I first became interested what appear to be a Holmes/Breivick type of > non-sociopathic killer because I knew one in my schooldays (when I was 16). > The rest of my class and I were shocked one morning to hear that one of our > number had killed two young nurses with a hammer and almost strangled an old > lady he was trying to rape. Now, we had known him for five years. We thought > he was a little eccentric because he was mad about buses and collected their > numbers in a little book, but otherwise quite normal. However, we learned > later that not only was his bedroom walls covered in photos of buses but also > that hundreds of bras and other ladies' underwear were stuffed into drawers > and every other available niche. His parents weren't abusive but his bedroom > should have rung warning bells. He (and they, probably) badly needed some > sort of psychiatric attention. And then what could or should have been done? > > Keith > > > >> On 22/07/2012 9:56 PM, Keith Hudson wrote: >>> Arthur, >>> >>> My comment is that I strongly doubt the literal accuracy of this news >>> account. Men are more inclined to be heroic in emergencies because males, >>> intrinsically, are more risk-taking than females. For example, in the >>> Zeebrugge ferry disaster in 1987 (in which 193 passengers and crew died), I >>> remember reading at the time that one young man, in dangerous >>> circumstances, helped many passengers to escape from being trapped below. >>> But the total weight of evidence from many ship disasters over the years >>> says that men take to the lifeboats disproportionately to women and >>> children. There were examples of this, I believe, during the Ttitanic >>> sinking. >>> >>> All stories of tragedies tend to get enhanced from the word go. I can well >>> imagine three young men throwing their arms around their girl friends and >>> then trying to flee together or take cover. But if three of the six were to >>> die then it's only 8:1 against three men rather than girls being hit. >>> >>> Incidentally, I'm glad that the police didn't kill Holmes at Aurora. As >>> with Breivik's massacres a year ago in Norway, and his arrest, we need to >>> know a great deal more about the early life stories of these men (usually >>> social isolates) to identify other potential misfits at as young an age as >>> possible in order to hopefully deflect their development. >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> At 04:26 23/07/2012, you wrote: >>>> Way off topic but sort of intriguing. >>>> >>>> Arthur >>>> >>>> >>>> To: ' [email protected]' >>>> Subject: FW: 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora >>>> taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News >>>> >>>> Interesting. The response of the male seems to be to protect. >>>> Instinctive? >>>> Who knows. Maybe Keith has an answer or would care to comment. >>>> >>>> Arthur >>>> 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets >>>> for >>>> their girlfriends In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk, Matt McQuinn and Alex >>>> Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as accused madman James >>>> Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery. >>>> >>>> Read more: >>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti >>>> >>>> es-article-1.1119395#ixzz21Oy21I65 >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m >>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti >>>> >>>> es-article-1.1119395 >>>> Sent from my iPad >> https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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