Lawry, I'd suspect there are several causes of what we view as pychopathy.
Dysfunctional child-rearing would be one. However doctrinaire education and
perpetual bombardment by propaganda would likely be another, when one thinks of
how the Germans behaved toward Jews before and during WWII. Another cause, and
a very important one I believe, depends on where and how you grew up. I'm
halfway through an very gloomy book by Chris Hedges (words) and Joe Sacco
(illustrative drawings) called "Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt". The
parts I've read so far deal with the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and the
decline of Camden, New Jersey, as an industrial town. There are very few jobs
to be had in both of those places. Young people, to get any money, form gangs
and sell drugs or booze, and woe betide anyone who gets in their way.
However, this is not to say that there isn't a type of psychopathy that is
based on some genetic flaw in a person's mind. Under certain circumstances,
and no matter how well or badly that person was raised, that flaw would simply
go "click" and the person would be induced to do something horrible and perhaps
be happy doing it.
Ed
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Sorry for all the hurried typos....corrections here:
On the first question, all my research into the psycho-cognitive profiles of
people suggests that there is no special identifier for social psychopaths.
That is, the profiles of "normal" people and social psycho-paths (as defined by
state- and non-state terrorists) are indistinguishably similar. Social
psychopaths can only, it seems, be recognized by their behaviors, which is
often too late.
If this is correct, then I would suggest that the only way to do something to
diminish these kinds of massacres (or their counterparts in the military
financial industry) is to raise kids properly to begin with. I believe that
much of today's approaches to child-rearing are profoundly dysfunctional, and
am wondering if they are dysfunctional to the point where they actually produce
the occasional unself-controlled social psychopath?
On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Ed Weick wrote:
You never really know, do you, not even if you've know a person for a long
time. Even then you can't be certain. Take the Russell Williams case. A very
senior military officer, a base commander, a very good pilot who flew the Prime
Minister's plane, and apparently, socially, not a bad guy at all. But then, at
night, he'd sneak out and collect panties, killing two women in the process.
Makes you want to watch everybody and keep your windows locked.
And as far as men protecting women goes, it may stem from something buried
very deeply in the human genome: women may be more important to the continuity
of the human race than men.
Ed
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At 15:16 23/07/2012, Darryl wrote:
Add extreme abuse to those life histories as well.
True, but what is particularly interesting (that is, disturbing) is that,
over the years, I've noticed that, from what one gains from newspaper accounts,
many of these mass/serial murderers superficially appear to have been quite
normal to those around them. They may be judged retroactively by people who
knew them in everyday life to have been a little lacking in the normal range of
warm human behaviours but nothing exceptional. Their parents, too, don't seem
to be out of the ordinary. On the other hand, many (if not all) young men who
are clearly sociopathic have usually acted violently all through their school
years and turn out to have had abusive or deeply neglectful parents.
I first became interested what appear to be a Holmes/Breivick type of
non-sociopathic killer because I knew one in my schooldays (when I was 16). The
rest of my class and I were shocked one morning to hear that one of our number
had killed two young nurses with a hammer and almost strangled an old lady he
was trying to rape. Now, we had known him for five years. We thought he was a
little eccentric because he was mad about buses and collected their numbers in
a little book, but otherwise quite normal. However, we learned later that not
only was his bedroom walls covered in photos of buses but also that hundreds of
bras and other ladies' underwear were stuffed into drawers and every other
available niche. His parents weren't abusive but his bedroom should have rung
warning bells. He (and they, probably) badly needed some sort of psychiatric
attention. And then what could or should have been done?
Keith
On 22/07/2012 9:56 PM, Keith Hudson wrote:
Arthur,
My comment is that I strongly doubt the literal accuracy of this news
account. Men are more inclined to be heroic in emergencies because males,
intrinsically, are more risk-taking than females. For example, in the Zeebrugge
ferry disaster in 1987 (in which 193 passengers and crew died), I remember
reading at the time that one young man, in dangerous circumstances, helped many
passengers to escape from being trapped below. But the total weight of evidence
from many ship disasters over the years says that men take to the lifeboats
disproportionately to women and children. There were examples of this, I
believe, during the Ttitanic sinking.
All stories of tragedies tend to get enhanced from the word go. I can
well imagine three young men throwing their arms around their girl friends and
then trying to flee together or take cover. But if three of the six were to die
then it's only 8:1 against three men rather than girls being hit.
Incidentally, I'm glad that the police didn't kill Holmes at Aurora.
As with Breivik's massacres a year ago in Norway, and his arrest, we need to
know a great deal more about the early life stories of these men (usually
social isolates) to identify other potential misfits at as young an age as
possible in order to hopefully deflect their development.
Keith
At 04:26 23/07/2012, you wrote:
Way off topic but sort of intriguing.
Arthur
To: ' [email protected]'
Subject: FW: 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in
Aurora
taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News
Interesting. The response of the male seems to be to protect.
Instinctive?
Who knows. Maybe Keith has an answer or would care to comment.
Arthur
'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking
bullets for
their girlfriends In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk, Matt McQuinn
and Alex
Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as accused
madman James
Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery.
Read more:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
es-article-1.1119395#ixzz21Oy21I65
http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
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