Experience, as you say, *is*. However, zero examples of caloric free occurrences have ever been evidenced. Care to provide a caloric free email, thought, feeling, emotion, utterance, imagination?
Steve On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:46 PM, pete wrote: > > An odd, but sadly not uncommon, outlook: consciousness is a directly > tangible experience, the only thing we can really say we know exists > for certain, while the "material world" is a conceptual costruct we > have conjured from dubious information presented to our consciousness > by demonstrably fallible and spotty sensory inputs whose actual source > we only imagine, due to apparent consistency, is a valid tangible > realm. > > A truly thorough employment of the scientific method must lead to > the conclusion that the notion of a material world is simply a > theory, and may be as naive as an earth centred world with a crystal > sky. Consciousness, on the other hand, amazingly, is always right > here whenever you remember to check, and I guarantee you can never > find it to be missing, no matter how hard you try. It is real, whether > the material world is, or not. > > -Pete > > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013, Steve Kurtz wrote: > >> An imaginary notion of the 80+-% of homo superstitious-hierarch who believe >> in souls, spirits, deities, universal consciousness, etc. (Less than 20% say >> they are agnostics or atheists.) >> >> Steve >> On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Ray Harrell wrote: >> >>> What is Dematerialized consciousness? >>> >>> REH >>> >>> From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca >>> [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Kurtz >>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:40 AM >>> To: Futurework list >>> Subject: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through brain >>> activity >>> >>> Dematerialized consciousness takes another hit. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.world-science.net/othernews/130814_consciousness >>> >>> >>> <image001.png> >>> "Long before it's in the papers" >>> August 14, 2013 >>> >>> RETURN TO THE WORLD SCIENCE HOME PAGE >>> Researchers measure consciousness through brain activity >>> >>> Aug. 14, 2013 >>> Courtesy of Science Translational Medicine >>> and World Science staff >>> >>> A new study seems to back up pre?vi?ous pro?pos?als that the lev?el of >>> com?plex?ity of your brain ac?ti?vity largely de?ter?mines wheth?er you?re >>> con?scious or not. >>> >>> Sci?en?tists de?vel?oped a test of con?sciousness based on the con?cept?a >>> test that does?n?t re?quire a pa?tient to ac?tu?ally do an?y?thing, they >>> said. >>> >>> Con?scious?ness is elu?sive, but we know it?s what van?ishes when we fall >>> in?to a deep sleep and reap?pears when we wake up. Doc?tors typ?ic?ally >>> de?ter?mine if a per?son is con?scious by their abil?ity to pro?cess and >>> re?spond to ex?ter?nal com?mands, such as ?open your eyes? or ?squeeze my >>> hand.? >>> >>> But these meth?ods are su?per?fi?cial, as re?search has shown in the last >>> dec?ade that a brain to?tally dis?con?nect?ed from the out?side world may >>> still have some aware?ness. This may hap?pen in brain-injured pa?tients who >>> emerge from a co?ma but can?t move or un?der?stand in?struc?tions, for >>> ex?am?ple. >>> >>> One the?o?ry is that in a con?scious brain, dif?fer?ent popula?t?ions of >>> neu?rons, or nerve cells, car?ry out their own com?puta?t?ional roles, but >>> can?t com?mu?ni?cate with oth?er neu?ron popula?t?ions. >>> >>> When the brain loses com?plex?ity, some sci?ent?ists pro?pose, neu?rons >>> ei?ther start to be?have more si?m?i?larly al?to?geth?er (re?sult?ing in a >>> loss of in?forma?t?ion), or their abil?ity to com?mu?ni?cate is im?paired >>> (re?sult?ing in a loss of in?tegra?t?ion). For ex?am?ple, if you?re asleep >>> and you hear a dog bark?ing, your brain will re?spond with ac?ti?vity in >>> the au?di?to?ry cor?tex, the part of the brain that pro?cesses sound. But >>> if you?re awake, the same sound might al?so in?duce thoughts of your own >>> dog, or an?noy?ance at the loud?ness of the bark?re?sponses tied to >>> ac?ti?vity in the brain?s mem?o?ry and emo?tion cen?ters. >>> >>> These lat?er brain pro?cesses con?tain more in?forma?t?ion. >>> Neu?ro?sci?en?tists have been try?ing to de?vel?op ways to meas?ure >>> con?sciousness based on this brain com?plex?ity. >>> >>> In the stu?dy, Mar?cel?lo Mass?mini of the Uni?vers?ity of Mi?lan in Italy >>> and col?leagues de?vised a tech?nique to meas?ure this brain com?plex?ity, >>> or how much in?tegra?t?ion and in?forma?t?ion flow is hap?pening in the >>> brain. Called the Per?turba?t?ional Com?plex?ity In?dex or PCI, their >>> tech?nique in?volves mildly ?shak?ing? the whole brain with a strong >>> mag?net?ic stimula?t?ion and re?cord?ing the re?sponse of neu?rons. This >>> da?ta can then be used to cal?cu?late how much in?forma?t?ion the brain is >>> able to pro?duce as a whole. >>> >>> The re?search?ers tested the tech?nique in pa?tients with brain in?ju?ries, >>> pa?tients un?der an?es?the?sia with dif?fer?ent drugs, and in pa?tients who >>> were awake, in deep sleep or dream?ing. The test re?flected the >>> par?ti?ci?pants? lev?el of con?sciousness un?der each of these >>> con?di?tions, they found. >>> >>> The re?sults sug?gest that dif?fer?ent lev?els of con?sciousness are >>> tightly linked to the com?plex?ity of the brain re?sponse, they added. For >>> ex?am?ple, find?ing a ?PCI val?ue? above the sleep or an?es?the?sia lev?el >>> in a pa?tient who is oth?erwise un?re?spon?sive would sug?gest she or he is >>> con?scious to some ex?tent. Al?though more re?search is needed, the >>> anal?y?sis could po?ten?tially be a use?ful tool at the hos?pi?tal bed?side >>> for meas?ur?ing con?sciousness, they added. >>> >>> The find?ings are pub?lished in the Aug. 14 is?sue of the jour?nal Sci?ence >>> Transla?t?ional Med?i?cine. >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> Send us a comment on this story, or send it to a friend >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Futurework mailing list >>> Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca >>> https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
