Too bad American Indian religion was banned until 1978 and hidden away. This guy would understand that he's not treading on new territory at all and that there are many world religions that have this same approach. It was the basis of the teaching of forestry by American Indian religions of the past and the Iroquois still teach it with their children at the kahnewake survival school up on the Canada border.
-----Original Message----- From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of pete Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:42 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through brain activity brain activity Yet to be characterized. I like this guy's position (have I mentioned this here before?) http://www.possibilian.com/ Note, he's a neuroscientist... -Pete On Mon, 16 Sep 2013, Arthur Cordell wrote: > Consciousness might be real: But what is it??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca > [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Ray > Harrell > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:37 PM > To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through > brain activity brain activity > > Holy moly! I love this science thing. > > REH > > -----Original Message----- > From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca > [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of pete > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:46 PM > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through > brain activity brain activity > > > An odd, but sadly not uncommon, outlook: consciousness is a directly > tangible experience, the only thing we can really say we know exists > for certain, while the "material world" is a conceptual costruct we > have conjured from dubious information presented to our consciousness > by demonstrably fallible and spotty sensory inputs whose actual source > we only imagine, due to apparent consistency, is a valid tangible realm. > > A truly thorough employment of the scientific method must lead to the > conclusion that the notion of a material world is simply a theory, and > may be as naive as an earth centred world with a crystal sky. > Consciousness, on the other hand, amazingly, is always right here > whenever you remember to check, and I guarantee you can never find it > to be missing, no matter how hard you try. It is real, whether the material world is, or not. > > -Pete > > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013, Steve Kurtz wrote: > > > An imaginary notion of the 80+-% of homo superstitious-hierarch who > > believe in souls, spirits, deities, universal consciousness, etc. > > (Less than 20% say they are agnostics or atheists.) > > > > Steve > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Ray Harrell wrote: > > > > > What is Dematerialized consciousness? > > > > > > REH > > > > > > From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca > > > [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve > > > Kurtz > > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:40 AM > > > To: Futurework list > > > Subject: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through > > > brain activity > > > > > > Dematerialized consciousness takes another hit. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/130814_consciousness > > > > > > > > > <image001.png> > > > "Long before it's in the papers" > > > August 14, 2013 > > > > > > RETURN TO THE WORLD SCIENCE HOME PAGE Researchers measure > > > consciousness through brain activity > > > > > > Aug. 14, 2013 > > > Courtesy of Science Translational Medicine and World Science staff > > > > > > A new study seems to back up pre?vi?ous pro?pos?als that the > > > lev?el of > com?plex?ity of your brain ac?ti?vity largely de?ter?mines wheth?er > you?re con?scious or not. > > > > > > Sci?en?tists de?vel?oped a test of con?sciousness based on the > con?cept?a test that does?n?t re?quire a pa?tient to ac?tu?ally do > an?y?thing, they said. > > > > > > Con?scious?ness is elu?sive, but we know it?s what van?ishes when > > > we > fall in?to a deep sleep and reap?pears when we wake up. Doc?tors > typ?ic?ally de?ter?mine if a per?son is con?scious by their abil?ity > to pro?cess and re?spond to ex?ter?nal com?mands, such as ?open your > eyes? or ?squeeze my hand.? > > > > > > But these meth?ods are su?per?fi?cial, as re?search has shown in > > > the > last dec?ade that a brain to?tally dis?con?nect?ed from the out?side > world may still have some aware?ness. This may hap?pen in > brain-injured pa?tients who emerge from a co?ma but can?t move or > un?der?stand in?struc?tions, for ex?am?ple. > > > > > > One the?o?ry is that in a con?scious brain, dif?fer?ent > > > popula?t?ions of > neu?rons, or nerve cells, car?ry out their own com?puta?t?ional roles, > but can?t com?mu?ni?cate with oth?er neu?ron popula?t?ions. > > > > > > When the brain loses com?plex?ity, some sci?ent?ists pro?pose, > > > neu?rons > ei?ther start to be?have more si?m?i?larly al?to?geth?er (re?sult?ing > in a loss of in?forma?t?ion), or their abil?ity to com?mu?ni?cate is > im?paired (re?sult?ing in a loss of in?tegra?t?ion). For ex?am?ple, if > you?re asleep and you hear a dog bark?ing, your brain will re?spond > with ac?ti?vity in the au?di?to?ry cor?tex, the part of the brain that > pro?cesses sound. But if you?re awake, the same sound might al?so > in?duce thoughts of your own dog, or an?noy?ance at the loud?ness of > the bark?re?sponses tied to ac?ti?vity in the brain?s mem?o?ry and emo?tion cen?ters. > > > > > > These lat?er brain pro?cesses con?tain more in?forma?t?ion. > Neu?ro?sci?en?tists have been try?ing to de?vel?op ways to meas?ure > con?sciousness based on this brain com?plex?ity. > > > > > > In the stu?dy, Mar?cel?lo Mass?mini of the Uni?vers?ity of Mi?lan > > > in > Italy and col?leagues de?vised a tech?nique to meas?ure this brain > com?plex?ity, or how much in?tegra?t?ion and in?forma?t?ion flow is > hap?pening in the brain. Called the Per?turba?t?ional Com?plex?ity > In?dex or PCI, their tech?nique in?volves mildly ?shak?ing? the whole > brain with a strong mag?net?ic stimula?t?ion and re?cord?ing the re?sponse of neu?rons. > This da?ta can then be used to cal?cu?late how much in?forma?t?ion the > brain is able to pro?duce as a whole. > > > > > > The re?search?ers tested the tech?nique in pa?tients with brain > in?ju?ries, pa?tients un?der an?es?the?sia with dif?fer?ent drugs, and > in pa?tients who were awake, in deep sleep or dream?ing. The test > re?flected the par?ti?ci?pants? lev?el of con?sciousness un?der each > of these con?di?tions, they found. > > > > > > The re?sults sug?gest that dif?fer?ent lev?els of con?sciousness > > > are > tightly linked to the com?plex?ity of the brain re?sponse, they added. > For ex?am?ple, find?ing a ?PCI val?ue? above the sleep or > an?es?the?sia lev?el in a pa?tient who is oth?erwise un?re?spon?sive > would sug?gest she or he is con?scious to some ex?tent. Al?though more > re?search is needed, the anal?y?sis could po?ten?tially be a use?ful > tool at the hos?pi?tal bed?side for meas?ur?ing con?sciousness, they added. > > > > > > The find?ings are pub?lished in the Aug. 14 is?sue of the jour?nal > Sci?ence Transla?t?ional Med?i?cine. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Send us a comment on this story, or send it to a friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Futurework mailing list > > > Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca > > > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
