Of course not,. I have said for decades that uncertainty is my position. But 
human perceptors are tuned to biological evolutionary results; they are limited 
in range and scope, even with technological aids. Reality is infinite until a 
boundary is evidenced. Ignorance is infinite. Making claims without evidence is 
infinite hubris or pure speculation. (maybe, but no cigar) ;-)

Steve
On Sep 16, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:

> So you believe nothing exists that can't be proved currently?
>  
> REH
>  
> From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca 
> [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Kurtz
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:30 PM
> To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
> Subject: Re: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through brain 
> activity brain activity
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> An imaginary notion of the 80+-% of homo superstitious-hierarch who believe 
> in souls, spirits, deities, universal consciousness, etc. (Less than 20% say 
> they are agnostics or atheists.)
>  
> Steve
> On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:
> 
> 
> What is Dematerialized consciousness?
>  
> REH
>  
> From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca 
> [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Kurtz
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:40 AM
> To: Futurework list
> Subject: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through brain activity
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> Dematerialized consciousness takes another hit.
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> Steve
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> http://www.world-science.net/othernews/130814_consciousness
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> "Long before it's in the papers"
> August 14, 2013
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> RETURN TO THE WORLD SCIENCE HOME PAGE
> Researchers measure consciousness through brain activity
> 
> Aug. 14, 2013
> Courtesy of Science Translational Medicine
> and World Science staff
> 
> A new study seems to back up pre­vi­ous pro­pos­als that the lev­el of 
> com­plex­ity of your brain ac­ti­vity largely de­ter­mines wheth­er you’re 
> con­scious or not.
> 
> Sci­en­tists de­vel­oped a test of con­sciousness based on the con­cept—a 
> test that does­n’t re­quire a pa­tient to ac­tu­ally do an­y­thing, they said.
> 
> Con­scious­ness is elu­sive, but we know it’s what van­ishes when we fall 
> in­to a deep sleep and reap­pears when we wake up. Doc­tors typ­ic­ally 
> de­ter­mine if a per­son is con­scious by their abil­ity to pro­cess and 
> re­spond to ex­ter­nal com­mands, such as “open your eyes” or “squeeze my 
> hand.” 
> 
> But these meth­ods are su­per­fi­cial, as re­search has shown in the last 
> dec­ade that a brain to­tally dis­con­nect­ed from the out­side world may 
> still have some aware­ness. This may hap­pen in brain-injured pa­tients who 
> emerge from a co­ma but can’t move or un­der­stand in­struc­tions, for 
> ex­am­ple.
> 
> One the­o­ry is that in a con­scious brain, dif­fer­ent popula­t­ions of 
> neu­rons, or nerve cells, car­ry out their own com­puta­t­ional roles, but 
> can’t com­mu­ni­cate with oth­er neu­ron popula­t­ions.
> 
> When the brain loses com­plex­ity, some sci­ent­ists pro­pose, neu­rons 
> ei­ther start to be­have more si­m­i­larly al­to­geth­er (re­sult­ing in a 
> loss of in­forma­t­ion), or their abil­ity to com­mu­ni­cate is im­paired 
> (re­sult­ing in a loss of in­tegra­t­ion). For ex­am­ple, if you’re asleep 
> and you hear a dog bark­ing, your brain will re­spond with ac­ti­vity in the 
> au­di­to­ry cor­tex, the part of the brain that pro­cesses sound. But if 
> you’re awake, the same sound might al­so in­duce thoughts of your own dog, or 
> an­noy­ance at the loud­ness of the bark—re­sponses tied to ac­ti­vity in the 
> brain’s mem­o­ry and emo­tion cen­ters. 
> 
> These lat­er brain pro­cesses con­tain more in­forma­t­ion. 
> Neu­ro­sci­en­tists have been try­ing to de­vel­op ways to meas­ure 
> con­sciousness based on this brain com­plex­ity.
> 
> In the stu­dy, Mar­cel­lo Mass­mini of the Uni­vers­ity of Mi­lan in Italy 
> and col­leagues de­vised a tech­nique to meas­ure this brain com­plex­ity, or 
> how much in­tegra­t­ion and in­forma­t­ion flow is hap­pening in the brain. 
> Called the Per­turba­t­ional Com­plex­ity In­dex or PCI, their tech­nique 
> in­volves mildly “shak­ing” the whole brain with a strong mag­net­ic 
> stimula­t­ion and re­cord­ing the re­sponse of neu­rons. This da­ta can then 
> be used to cal­cu­late how much in­forma­t­ion the brain is able to pro­duce 
> as a whole. 
> 
> The re­search­ers tested the tech­nique in pa­tients with brain in­ju­ries, 
> pa­tients un­der an­es­the­sia with dif­fer­ent drugs, and in pa­tients who 
> were awake, in deep sleep or dream­ing. The test re­flected the 
> par­ti­ci­pants’ lev­el of con­sciousness un­der each of these con­di­tions, 
> they found. 
> 
> The re­sults sug­gest that dif­fer­ent lev­els of con­sciousness are tightly 
> linked to the com­plex­ity of the brain re­sponse, they added. For ex­am­ple, 
> find­ing a “PCI val­ue” above the sleep or an­es­the­sia lev­el in a pa­tient 
> who is oth­erwise un­re­spon­sive would sug­gest she or he is con­scious to 
> some ex­tent. Al­though more re­search is needed, the anal­y­sis could 
> po­ten­tially be a use­ful tool at the hos­pi­tal bed­side for meas­ur­ing 
> con­sciousness, they added.
> 
> The find­ings are pub­lished in the Aug. 14 is­sue of the jour­nal Sci­ence 
> Transla­t­ional Med­i­cine.
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