Maybe it's like the US Congress. We all get together and agree what exists but no one knows that we did that. It's occult:>))
REH -----Original Message----- From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Kurtz Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:17 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through brain activity Experience, as you say, *is*. However, zero examples of caloric free occurrences have ever been evidenced. Care to provide a caloric free email, thought, feeling, emotion, utterance, imagination? Steve On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:46 PM, pete wrote: > > An odd, but sadly not uncommon, outlook: consciousness is a directly > tangible experience, the only thing we can really say we know exists > for certain, while the "material world" is a conceptual costruct we > have conjured from dubious information presented to our consciousness > by demonstrably fallible and spotty sensory inputs whose actual source > we only imagine, due to apparent consistency, is a valid tangible > realm. > > A truly thorough employment of the scientific method must lead to the > conclusion that the notion of a material world is simply a theory, and > may be as naive as an earth centred world with a crystal sky. > Consciousness, on the other hand, amazingly, is always right here > whenever you remember to check, and I guarantee you can never find it > to be missing, no matter how hard you try. It is real, whether the > material world is, or not. > > -Pete > > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013, Steve Kurtz wrote: > >> An imaginary notion of the 80+-% of homo superstitious-hierarch who >> believe in souls, spirits, deities, universal consciousness, etc. >> (Less than 20% say they are agnostics or atheists.) >> >> Steve >> On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Ray Harrell wrote: >> >>> What is Dematerialized consciousness? >>> >>> REH >>> >>> From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca >>> [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve >>> Kurtz >>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:40 AM >>> To: Futurework list >>> Subject: [Futurework] Researchers measure consciousness through >>> brain activity >>> >>> Dematerialized consciousness takes another hit. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.world-science.net/othernews/130814_consciousness >>> >>> >>> <image001.png> >>> "Long before it's in the papers" >>> August 14, 2013 >>> >>> RETURN TO THE WORLD SCIENCE HOME PAGE Researchers measure >>> consciousness through brain activity >>> >>> Aug. 14, 2013 >>> Courtesy of Science Translational Medicine and World Science staff >>> >>> A new study seems to back up pre?vi?ous pro?pos?als that the lev?el of com?plex?ity of your brain ac?ti?vity largely de?ter?mines wheth?er you?re con?scious or not. >>> >>> Sci?en?tists de?vel?oped a test of con?sciousness based on the con?cept?a test that does?n?t re?quire a pa?tient to ac?tu?ally do an?y?thing, they said. >>> >>> Con?scious?ness is elu?sive, but we know it?s what van?ishes when we fall in?to a deep sleep and reap?pears when we wake up. Doc?tors typ?ic?ally de?ter?mine if a per?son is con?scious by their abil?ity to pro?cess and re?spond to ex?ter?nal com?mands, such as ?open your eyes? or ?squeeze my hand.? >>> >>> But these meth?ods are su?per?fi?cial, as re?search has shown in the last dec?ade that a brain to?tally dis?con?nect?ed from the out?side world may still have some aware?ness. This may hap?pen in brain-injured pa?tients who emerge from a co?ma but can?t move or un?der?stand in?struc?tions, for ex?am?ple. >>> >>> One the?o?ry is that in a con?scious brain, dif?fer?ent popula?t?ions of neu?rons, or nerve cells, car?ry out their own com?puta?t?ional roles, but can?t com?mu?ni?cate with oth?er neu?ron popula?t?ions. >>> >>> When the brain loses com?plex?ity, some sci?ent?ists pro?pose, neu?rons ei?ther start to be?have more si?m?i?larly al?to?geth?er (re?sult?ing in a loss of in?forma?t?ion), or their abil?ity to com?mu?ni?cate is im?paired (re?sult?ing in a loss of in?tegra?t?ion). For ex?am?ple, if you?re asleep and you hear a dog bark?ing, your brain will re?spond with ac?ti?vity in the au?di?to?ry cor?tex, the part of the brain that pro?cesses sound. But if you?re awake, the same sound might al?so in?duce thoughts of your own dog, or an?noy?ance at the loud?ness of the bark?re?sponses tied to ac?ti?vity in the brain?s mem?o?ry and emo?tion cen?ters. >>> >>> These lat?er brain pro?cesses con?tain more in?forma?t?ion. Neu?ro?sci?en?tists have been try?ing to de?vel?op ways to meas?ure con?sciousness based on this brain com?plex?ity. >>> >>> In the stu?dy, Mar?cel?lo Mass?mini of the Uni?vers?ity of Mi?lan in Italy and col?leagues de?vised a tech?nique to meas?ure this brain com?plex?ity, or how much in?tegra?t?ion and in?forma?t?ion flow is hap?pening in the brain. Called the Per?turba?t?ional Com?plex?ity In?dex or PCI, their tech?nique in?volves mildly ?shak?ing? the whole brain with a strong mag?net?ic stimula?t?ion and re?cord?ing the re?sponse of neu?rons. This da?ta can then be used to cal?cu?late how much in?forma?t?ion the brain is able to pro?duce as a whole. >>> >>> The re?search?ers tested the tech?nique in pa?tients with brain in?ju?ries, pa?tients un?der an?es?the?sia with dif?fer?ent drugs, and in pa?tients who were awake, in deep sleep or dream?ing. The test re?flected the par?ti?ci?pants? lev?el of con?sciousness un?der each of these con?di?tions, they found. >>> >>> The re?sults sug?gest that dif?fer?ent lev?els of con?sciousness are tightly linked to the com?plex?ity of the brain re?sponse, they added. For ex?am?ple, find?ing a ?PCI val?ue? above the sleep or an?es?the?sia lev?el in a pa?tient who is oth?erwise un?re?spon?sive would sug?gest she or he is con?scious to some ex?tent. Al?though more re?search is needed, the anal?y?sis could po?ten?tially be a use?ful tool at the hos?pi?tal bed?side for meas?ur?ing con?sciousness, they added. >>> >>> The find?ings are pub?lished in the Aug. 14 is?sue of the jour?nal Sci?ence Transla?t?ional Med?i?cine. >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> Send us a comment on this story, or send it to a friend >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Futurework mailing list >>> Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca >>> https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list Futurework@lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
