If I could very drastically sum up your hypothesis here, Keith, would it be
that the increase in working hours is being driven by a decline in the
quality and sociability of accessible leisure activity? If so, I couldn't
agree more.

There are times when getting through the weekend becomes an ordeal. Would it
be priggish to suggest a tie between the industrialization of leisure and
leisure fatigue?

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/98oct/hacienda.htm

Keith Hudson wrote,
> Tom,
>
> I'm changing the subject of the thread again because I think something
very
> interesting is emerging in this discussion.
>
> You made quite a number of interesting insights in your posting but I'm
> going to cut through to your last (postscript) sentence where you appear
to
> have summarised your overall ideas very neatly.
>
> At 15:33 05/09/02 -0700, TW wrote:
> <<<<
> I'm for shorter hours because, as a consequence of research over more than
> 20 years I have become convinced that the expansion of working hours has
> come from our society's refusal to confront its social, economic and
> spiritual problems -- that is to say that the longer hours, like
> alcoholism, are as much a symptom of malaise as a source.
> >>>>
>
> I'd agree with that. Holding that in mind, let me now backtrack to
> something earlier that I wrote and you replied to:
> (KH)
> <<<<
> Thus, unfortunately, the working week will always tend to expand well
above
> the necessary minimum -- the hours demanded being pulled and pushed from
> both employers and employees.
> >>>>
> (TW)
> <<<<
> This is a recent phenomenon since the 1980s for the U.S., the 1960s for
> manufacturing. Until then, the trend since the mid-nineteenth century was
> reduction of the work week.
> >>>>
>
> I'm glad you made reference to the 19th century because two things can be
> said about this period: (a) the ordinary working man in the cities was
> working immensely long hours up until about 1850 -- far longer than he was
> a few decades earlier in a mainly agrarian economy ('tho we must bear in
> mind that many people came to the factories of the cities from the
> countryside voluntarily and not all of them because they were forced out
by
> landlord enclosures); (b) despite the ordinary factory worker being
> exploited pretty ruthlessly, his hours nevertheless declined in the course
> of the century.
>
> I suggest that the workers' hours didn't decline because of trade union
> activity. This featured strongly, of course, during the century, but I
> suggest that the underlying reason was that as productivity (and the
> profitability of British exports) improved, some of it was bound to spill
> over into higher wages so that, as the average wage of the worker
increased
> above the basic costs of survival (food, clothes, house-rent), then a
> proportion of disposable income was bound to be spent on leisure
activities
> as well as in the pubs.
>
> We can instance the immense growth of spectator sports during the latter
> decades of the 19th century and the early decades of the 20th (soccer,
> rugby and cricket mainly). We can also instance the music halls and also
> immense growth of radio. These alone would account for at least 15-20
hours
> a week of the average adult male worker's leisure time.
>
> Any particular type of economy cannot be sustained for long if the goods
> that the working man produces cannot also be purchased by him. But also --
> and very importantly -- the working man must also have the leisure time
(as
> well as the money) to use them (in this case, the spectator leisure
goods).
> This, I suggest, is the real underlying reason why the working week came
> down so spectacularly from the mid-19th century to the mid-20th century --
> say, from 70-90 hours a week to 40-60.
>
> Now let me nip forward to the present. There's an awful lot written about
> immensely long working hours and yet, at the same time, as I quoted a few
> days ago, opinion polls in America say that most people are reasonably
> content with their working week. I suggest that this apparent anomaly can
> be reconciled by the fact that those who complain and write about the long
> working weeks are the middle-class meritocrats, not the workers. And the
> meritocrats, generally, have much more interesting jobs than the
workers --
> so interesting, in fact, that their work is more satisfying than much of
> the passive entertainment that's available to them in their leisure time.
>
> This polarity in the use of time is, I suggest, self-reinforcing. And one
> result of this is that the quality of what's available by way of passive
> entertainment -- TV and radio -- continues to decline. But I won't
continue
> along this particular vein because I'll be tempted into discussing one of
> my strongest beliefs (that society and the job structure is dividing into
> two parts).
>
> Instead, let me just instance one interesting case in point -- the one
that
> started this thread. This is that it's not surprising that the French,
more
> than most European cultures, and certainly more than America, still retain
> a healthier and more satisying notion of what leisure should be about.
They
> take enormously long holidays in the summer -- often returning to their
> countryside families localities. They still believe in a caf� society.
> Families dine out for long meals (it's an eye-opener to watch such in a
> restaurant and the enjoyment and fun that goes on!). In short, they're
> still hanging onto some sort of community life -- and it's *active* at
> that, and not passive.
>
> So let me summarise. If leisure "goods" are a significant part of an
> economy, then the average worker must also have sufficient time as well as
> money in order to keep the show going. I don't know what the figures in
> terms of GDP, but the leisure industry (that is, passive entertainment) is
> substantial. This has a strong, albeit hardly visible, effect on the
length
> of the working week.
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