Congratulations guys you just discovered Edward T. Hall.    Don't  mind me
I'm pissed off today.  I never saw a genuine massacre as seen by my
relatives.    But it is strange that proximics has been in existance for at
least thirty years and Hall was preaching this to the State Department forty
years ago and it is still "cutting edge."    Of course people in the theater
have been doing it for several thousand years.    Read Hall's Dance of Life.

REH


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Keith Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Futurework] Perle's body language, etc


> Greetings, Keith,
>
> I've used slo-mo video before and with good equipment it is possible to
see
> a lot of 'microbehaviors' that go otherwise unperceived.  Oddly, also, I
> tried speeding up the tapes and could then too see patterns that I had
> missed at regular speeds. We had one striking application of this,
coaching
> a local, rising politician to discard of a habit that apparently irritated
> viewers; his ratings went up substantially after the coaching, though
> nothing else had changed. Not conclusive or controlled enough to be
> determinative, but it was pretty suggestive that a microbehavioral habit
had
> a significant (and in this case negative) impact.
>
> Keep up the good observation.  I hope some day we can meet up and explore
> this further.
>
> Best regards,
> Lawry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Hudson
> > Sent: Fri, March 21, 2003 9:49 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Perle's body language, etc
> >
> >
> > Hi Lawry,
> >
> > I'm sorry, I can't add anything more to what I observed -- except
perhaps
> > that not only were his verbal responses delayed but also the smiles and
> > mock grimaces that he elected to make from time to time. Otherwise, the
> > stillness of his face and hands was not in any way unusual for
politicians
> > and people in his position who are used to controlling themselves
> > carefully
> > when being interviewed. However, the delays in his responses -- and the
> > constancy of those pauses, whatever the difficulty of the question --
were
> > those of a master, in my opinion. As said before, I interpret this
> > behaviour as a consequence of long-time experience in considering every
> > question carefully, even the apparently innocent ones. In short, I
thought
> > Perele's performance was that of a superbly trained diplomat, or senior
> > mandarin, unlike that of, say, Rumsfeld whose body language is extremely
> > labile and thus, quite readable.
> >
> > I can't help you with any other observations -- I was concentrating
mainly
> > on what Perle was saying. I can't remember precisely what happened when
he
> > was obviously momentarily thrown by a couple of cleverly-phrased
questions
> > from the ex-ambassador and Dimbleby himself. It would be
> > fascinating to see
> > a slow-motion replay of his demeanour during those two brief episodes. I
> > suspect his facial muscles went haywire for a few microseconds!
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > At 07:23 21/03/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hi, Keith,
> > >
> > >Sorry for the delay in getting back: things have been busy.
> > >
> > >Many thanks for the report on Perle's body language. Very
> > interesting. Most
> > >people don't notice things as precisely or acutely, so
> > appreciate the info
> > >and the effort you put into reporting them.
> > >
> > >Did you notice anything about eye movements, by any chance, and
> > if so, can
> > >you associated a pattern of eye movements with a pattern of
> > subject matter
> > >being discussed? I would be very interested in any other
> > observations that
> > >you can recall: muscle tone changes, skin color changes, head
> > tilts, depth
> > >and pace of breathing, tone, volume, timbre of the voice, unusual word
> > >choice, etc.
> > >
> > >The two instances of what I would call incongruencies that you
> > report may or
> > >may not be significant; the incongruence can be genuine, but the
> > substantive
> > >significance of an incongruence must be is unclear until the subject's
> > >patterns are better known.
> > >
> > >I don't think that any of this (or intelligence either, though I am
less
> > >knowledgeable about that) is genetic, or at least if it is in any
degree,
> > >the reliability of the association would be much too low and
> > low-resolution
> > >to be useful in understanding or reading an individual.  The kinds of
> > >patterns that I am looking for seem to cut across cultures and
> > ethnicities,
> > >with vastly more variation among members of a group than between
groups.
> > >Over the years I have come to discount generalizations about
> > groups, and to
> > >pay attention to individuals to understand (those) individuals.
> > Of course,
> > >that increases the cognitive and research burden immensely. Did
> > you ever see
> > >the book, Body Language? It tried to suggest, for example, that some
> > >postures meant certain things about people, universally. Many
> > people bought
> > >into the notion both because it suggested ways of understanding
> > people and
> > >because it was easy. But, instead, it was misleading.
> > >
> > >We can now model the cognitive processes in individuals, but it remains
a
> > >person-by-person undertaking, given the levels of precision we need.
> > >
> > >Again, many thanks, and I hope you might be able to add more, along the
> > >lines I ask, above.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Lawry
> >
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