Cats won't do because you live with them.   You are God to the fish and that
means that you have to be responsible for them.   Its the human arrogance
that projects what the cat or fish's consciousness is like.    I don't think
your guy was ever a cat so like American Opera singers correcting Italians
on their Verdi, he is in dubious territory.

Ray Evans Harrell


----- Original Message -----
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To: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Karen Watters Cole"
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Subject: Re: [Futurework] Local living economies


> Ray, I'll admit that one could learn a lot from fish, but I don't think
I'm
> willing to go as far as you suggest.  Cats perhaps.  One of my very early
> bosses, an economist, used to develop his concepts of human behaviour by
> watching his cats.  He had three of them, and they were enormous.  He
> maintained that people were just like pussy cats, ten percent conscious
and
> ninety percent unconscious, and it was the latter you had to worry about.
> One of his favourite teaching devices was to invite us very young and
> impressionable economist to his house and have us stand around his kitchen
> sink.  He would pour catnip into the sink and we would watch the cats roil
> round and round.  Standing off to one side, he would point down at them
> saying, with some excitement, "See!  See! Just like people!"  I guess he
was
> right, whatever he meant.
>
> Ed Weick
>
>
> > I think you guys should all go into the fish business.   Build an
> aquarium.
> > A big one.  At least six feet long and a couple of feet deep and thick.
> > Minimum 125 gallons.   And get yourselves some African Cichlids.
> > Beautiful, durable little fish.  And they breed like fundamentalists.
> > Then get yourself a big fish.   Something that's beautiful, like a
Cobalt
> > Blue.   Feed them all and see what happens.   Supply and Demand.   The
> > invisible hand of the market and all of that stuff.  You can see it in
> > action.   Try out your theories.   See what happens to the fact that
> > everyone eats and everyone gets sick and as big as the tank is, it still
> has
> > limited resources.    Nature is tough and fish weren't meant to be even
in
> > big aquariums.   If you are going to keep them there then you are going
to
> > have to modify certain ideas about yours and their freedom or they won't
> > survive.   I used to have a house full of aquariums and animals.   I
went
> > with the natural model.  Now I live in a two room apartment and except
for
> > the space, my life is much more productive and I can talk to my friends
on
> > the internet.   You might consider that the upkeep of your lives has to
do
> > with the reason that you don't understand some of the more complex works
> of
> > the modern artists.   It just takes too much energy.   In order to have
> > civilization you must cooperate and that doesn't work with capitalism or
> > popular economics.    There has to be another model.   But are we
> > cognitively dissonant or can we break free and imagine another way?
> What
> > the hell?   What else do you have to do with your life that isn't
> ordinary,
> > insignificant and totally temporary?    Milton Friedman and his fried
> fish.
> > That's all he can taste in his 90s but he still controls yours.
> >
> > Ray Evans Harrell
> >
> >
> >
> > Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Karen Watters Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Harry Pollard"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Local living economies
> >
> >
> > > Harry, I don't think the UN stands a chance of doing anything that
> various
> > > powers might view as infringing on their sovereign rights.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ed,
> > > >
> > > > Such a program would be ideal for the UN if it was really a Global
> > > > organization.
> > > >
> > > > But, unfortunately, it hasn't much more than Pomp and Circumstance.
> > > >
> > > > Harry
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Ed wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > The issue is who owns the seas. I think they belong to the
people
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > earth, who should manage the catch to make the fishing grounds
> > > > > > self-sustaining. Then there will be no "Tragedy".
> > > > >
> > > > >Harry, the problem is that, except for off-shore limits, the people
> of
> > > the
> > > > >earth do own the seas.  But the interests of the people are so
> diverse
> > > that
> > > > >there is very little possibility of establishing an effective
> > management
> > > > >regime.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ****************************************************
> > > > Harry Pollard
> > > > Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles
> > > > Box 655   Tujunga   CA   91042
> > > > Tel: (818) 352-4141  --  Fax: (818) 353-2242
> > > > http://home.attbi.com/~haledward
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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