Yep! Data is a bitch. How much more fun it is to talk theory. Folks back home have some rather pithy sayings about such uselessness but it would be frowned upon on this list by the genteel. Note: theory does not equal Whitehead's "abstract principles beneath." Theories are just stories made up to make a certain amount of sense within the context of their own limits. You must first start with the Mega before these mini questions make any sense and then you have to test it all against the data such as you provided. The problem with the 19th century ideals is the advent of the 20th century problems. The world didn't reach a homeostasis and technology continued. Today we suffer from a dearth of social and economic imagination in confronting the problems of the future. Disease and nano-technology alone are enough to destroy us and that isn't new or progressive. First you must admit that you know nothing and then take inventory of what you have tried and has failed. Today we are cognitively dissonant and that makes such rational solutions impossible. Old men should give up life and live in the world as it is instead of bemoaning what is lost. We don't have enough information on most of our problems to propose any solutions other than the most conservative and that is all about negotiation. In the face of negotiation all ideals must be mitigated. The sole limit is life. To give up that is to give in to insanity. "I have longed for all and bid farewell to hope, and I have lived and loved and shut the door." Robert Louis Stevenson. A little poetry would be the best you should bring from the 19th century, boys.
"Let beauty awake in the morn from beautiful dreams." Today most of humanities dreams are nightmares and screams. The answer is not more of the same or old manuals economic or religious. REH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Karen Watters Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Local living economies > For commercial fishing, permits are required, probably from Fisheries and > Oceans Canada. The problem is that the fishery, supposedly a renewable > resource, has been depleted. The problem is that as long as there appeared > to be fish, it was politically very unpopular to try to stop fishing - > "don't tell me there ain't no fish. I been ketching them!" Another tragedy > of the commons. > > Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Karen Watters Cole" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Local living economies > > > > Ed, > > > > Do the fishermen just sail out and catch fish, or is a permit of some kind > > required? > > > > If the second, who owns the permits? > > > > Harry > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > Ed wrote: > > > > > >Perhaps it depends on the kind of small community we are talking > > >about. My son is currently teaching in a community on the Labrador > > >coast. The fishery has been devastated, and as a survival strategy > > >community leaders are foraging in the bureaucracy for government > > >support. To survive at all, the community must export its kids, and many > > >of the kids know it and are preparing for it by being good students. In > > >contrast, an in-law lives on one of the Gulf Islands on the west > > >coast. He and many of his neighbours moved to their rural communities by > > >choice, bringing their money with them. They have barter fairs and enjoy > > >trading among themselves. > > > > > >In the communities of rural western Canada where I did some of my growing > > >up it was always understood that one kid would get the farm and the rest > > >would have to move out to the city to become professionals and > > >entrepreneurs, or perhaps bums. > > > > > >Ed Weick > > > > > > **************************************************** > > Harry Pollard > > Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles > > Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 > > Tel: (818) 352-4141 -- Fax: (818) 353-2242 > > http://home.attbi.com/~haledward > > **************************************************** > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/2003 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
