Hi Thomas, yes, I completely agree. And like you said (and I forgot to mention), the components developed in the last months are great, no doubt about that.
The idea behind some of the questions I made is to know whether contributors should focus more on existing or non-existing components. And to know the objectives and goals of the project so we can create proposal or contribute to existing ones based on those objectives. And also, just for curiosity, to know a little bit more about the plans for next year,. Thanks :) Thomas Weidner-2 wrote: > > Hy Federico, > > I can only speak from my point of perspective... > > The progress of ZF in the last months is really great. We have several new > classes and functionality integrated. > Several classes you mentioned are already in progress of implementation: > For example: Zend_Builder, Zend_File_Uploader, Zend_Form... > And some have been integrated in December: > For example: Zend_Layout, Zend_OpenId, Zend_TimeSync... > > There is always work for us as there are always new ideas which we are > confronted with and want to integrate them. > > I don't know why you are so strong related to Zend_Service_*. Of course we > have focused in integrating much usefull services in the past. But when > you > have followed the progress in the past months you will have seen that we > have also integrated several other usefull classes beside new Services. > > Related to the confusion is one thing to mention: > ZF is a loosly coupled framework. This gives users the possibility to use > only parts of the framework which comes very handy if you are extending > existing code. I think this flexibility is what most non-developers are > not > familiary with. > Actually we are integrating several tools which most people expect which > have used Symfony and other fixed frameworks in the past. > And we are working on integrating a set of default applications... see the > Zend_Build and related proposals from wil. > > And just one thing to mention at last: > The Zend Framework is growing with every idea, proposal or usecase which > is > told from the community. So even your feedback will at last be assimilated > :-) > > Greetings > Thomas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Federico Cargnelutti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Zend Framework" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:08 PM > Subject: [fw-general] Feedback and questions: 2007 > > > Hi, > > As I'm following more closely the development and progress of the ZF, I > would like to give the dev-team some feedback and of course, ask some > questions. > > First the feedback: > > I think ZF is relative new and the progress so far has been amazing. ZendF > has a community with very talented developers. The first impression I got > when joining the community was that web services are one of the many > priorities. I think that web services are great, they are the future > right? > I'm sure that today every website uses one or more web services. But, who > is > using the web services components included in the ZF? I know that in terms > of image, to associate the ZF with web services is a good thing, but, the > discussions I'm having with Technical Managers and other Developers are > always about the components that ZF doesn't have. For example, Zend_Ftp, > Zend_Form, Zend_File_Uploader, Zend_File_Utility, Zend_Debug, Zend_Build, > Zend_Image, Zend_Tree, Zend_Nav and others that honestly I can't remember > now. > > Working as a contractor is a funny thing, you meet a lot of developers and > you have managers everywhere. So, in my case, when I'm in the planning > stage > of a project, and discussing about different technologies, architectures > and > frameworks, if the project requires the use of PHP, I recommend ZF, but, > if > the project faces a tight deadline (almost always), we end up using > Symfony. > I have used Phython/Django and Ruby/RoR before, but the company where I'm > contracting now, develops mainly using PHP and .NET. > > So basically, Technical Managers know they don't have 2 months to develop > the missing components, and they are asking me questions such as, how are > we > going to upload and resize images? How are we going to create a navigation > system? How are we going to implement a web service for authentication > using > OpenID? How does the framework cope with TDD? Doe it have unit testing? A > debugger? So far, they never asked me anything about any of the > Zend_Service_* components, except in one project that we needed one for > PayPal. > > Ok, that was my feedback based on my experience. And now the questions :) > > - What are the main objectives and golas for 2008 in regards to the ZF? > - What are the priorities and what is going to be considered top priority > in > the next 6 months? > > Also, there's some confusion out there about the purpose of the ZF, some > people see it as a library of components that doesn't offer a solid system > architecture for web development, others, like myself, see it as a solid > framework with a flexible and extensible architecture. But still, there's > some confusion. > > - So, how are you planning to promote the Zend Framework next year? What > are > my bosses going to read or hear about it? > - How are you going to approach new developers? > > Sorry for this massive email guys! I would like to know your opinions on > this and invite everyone to send their feedback. > > Thanks and happy 2008! > > Fed > > > > > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Feedback-and-questions%3A-2007-tp14532126s16154p14533063.html Sent from the Zend Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
