I guess the framework consumed the free time of whoever was willing to work
on whatever approved components and there it evolved - including the
Zend_Service_* components. For instance, critical components such as
Zend_Locale, Zend_Session were late entries until they found Thomas/Ralph to
develop them.



On Dec 28, 2007 4:08 PM, Federico Cargnelutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> As I'm following more closely the development and progress of the ZF, I
> would like to give the dev-team some feedback and of course, ask some
> questions.
>
> First the feedback:
>
> I think ZF is relative new and the progress so far has been amazing. ZendF
> has a community with very talented developers. The first impression I got
> when joining the community was that web services are one of the many
> priorities. I think that web services are great, they are the future right?
> I'm sure that today every website uses one or more web services. But, who is
> using the web services components included in the ZF? I know that in terms
> of image, to associate the ZF with web services is a good thing, but, the
> discussions I'm having with Technical Managers and other Developers are
> always about the components that ZF doesn't have. For example, Zend_Ftp,
> Zend_Form, Zend_File_Uploader, Zend_File_Utility, Zend_Debug, Zend_Build,
> Zend_Image, Zend_Tree, Zend_Nav and others that honestly I can't remember
> now.
>
> Working as a contractor is a funny thing, you meet a lot of developers and
> you have managers everywhere. So, in my case, when I'm in the planning stage
> of a project, and discussing about different technologies, architectures and
> frameworks, if the project requires the use of PHP, I recommend ZF, but, if
> the project faces a tight deadline (almost always), we end up using Symfony.
> I have used Phython/Django and Ruby/RoR before, but the company where I'm
> contracting now, develops mainly using PHP and .NET.
>
> So basically, Technical Managers know they don't have 2 months to develop
> the missing components, and they are asking me questions such as, how are we
> going to upload and resize images? How are we going to create a navigation
> system? How are we going to implement a web service for authentication using
> OpenID? How does the framework cope with TDD? Doe it have unit testing? A
> debugger? So far, they never asked me anything about any of the
> Zend_Service_* components, except in one project that we needed one for
> PayPal.
>
> Ok, that was my feedback based on my experience. And now the questions :)
>
> - What are the main objectives and golas for 2008 in regards to the ZF?
> - What are the priorities and what is going to be considered top priority
> in the next 6 months?
>
> Also, there's some confusion out there about the purpose of the ZF, some
> people see it as a library of components that doesn't offer a solid system
> architecture for web development, others, like myself, see it as a solid
> framework with a flexible and extensible architecture. But still, there's
> some confusion.
>
> - So, how are you planning to promote the Zend Framework next year? What
> are my bosses going to read or hear about it?
> - How are you going to approach new developers?
>
> Sorry for this massive email guys! I would like to know your opinions on
> this and invite everyone to send their feedback.
>
> Thanks and happy 2008!
>
> Fed
>
>
>
>
>

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