Hi Matt

Matthew Ratzloff wrote:
> 
> Well, of course it does have unit testing and OpenID support.  Test-driven
> development is a methodology, not a technology.
> 

Yes, I know. The discussions I had where about how ZF integrates with
different methodologies, not just TDD. A framework can define processes by
providing tools to help developer implement different methodologies. 


Matthew Ratzloff wrote:
> 
> Xdebug is useful for debugging.
> 

True, but I've worked with frameworks that implement internal debugging
systems as well and they are always a plus. 


Matthew Ratzloff wrote:
> 
> A navigation system--really?  That's pretty basic.
> 

Navigation, in this days, is not just a vertical or horizontal menu. I spent
a month developing 6 components for a social networking site that used tags
as its main navigation system. And believe, we had to develop some really
interesting algorithms. So I'm basically concerned about this stuff, should
we focus on this things or not? 


Matthew Ratzloff wrote:
> 
> At some point a developer has to actually write some PHP, though, and
> can't rely on the framework to do everything--this is the case with
> uploading and resizing images.  Uploading is very simple, and resizing
> images just requires the use of the Magick Wand or gd extensions.
> 

Yes, I see it like that as well. I'm just re-transmitting other people
thoughts and comments. Based on what they told me, a lot of them upload and
resize images, an none of them, for example, use free web services in their
commercial projects (except for Amazon and PayPal). So, my question,
shouldn't a framework solve this issues? Isn't that one of the purposes of a 
framework. Because you are suggesting a "build it yourself, it's quite
easy", and I'm sure they can do it, they are very talented people, but, do
they have the time to build it?

That's the thing about contracting, you move from one place to the other one
every 2 or 3 months, and you meet a lot of developers, and you work with a
lot of different frameworks. 

Thanks Matt.






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