Matthew,
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> -- Bradley Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> (on Wednesday, 21 May 2008, 03:49 PM -0400):
> > We probably will not be switching to Dojo (but I'll be looking into it
> for
> > sure), even with it being available as part of ZF. We currently use
> jQuery.
> > Part of the benefit of using jQuery is that a CSS designer can learn how
> to use
> > it. This is because they can take the same concept of applying style
> using CSS
> > selectors but instead add behavior using CSS selectors (leveraging the
> skills
> > they already have and not burdening a developer with the work). Sure, for
> > full-on RIAs ZF + Dojo will probably be the best option. But with jQuery
> our
> > designers can do a lot of the JavaScript work - I'm not going to ask a
> designer
> > to learn Dojo as it seems a lot more complicated (I haven't used Dojo,
> just
> > read through some of the documentation).
>
> Actually, in many cases, using Dojo is as simple or simpler than what
> you've just stated regarding jquery. ;-)
I'll definitely be checking out Dojo with this new ZF integration - I really
don't know enough to speak very intelligently about it. Heck, the fact that
you recommend and like using Dojo is enough for me to check it out, never
mind the ZF integration. ;-)
>
>
> For instance, want to make a date chooser?
>
> <input type="text" name="foo" dojoType="dijit.form.DateTextBox" />
OK, now I remember one of the things that turned me off about Dojo when I
first looked at. I'm a stickler for valid XHTML and the dojoType attribute
breaks validity. I realize this is just for illustrative purposes and
there's probably a way to use Dojo and still have valid XHTML. I'll look
into it more on my own (don't want to turn this into a Dojo discussion).
>
>
> If you want to modify based on CSS selectors, you can leverage
> dojo.query():
>
> dojo.query('#foo li a').style("text-decoration: none; color: #F00;");
>
Right after I sent out my email I did some Googling (sorry, "web searching")
and found dojo.query - I'm curious as to how it compares to jQuery, I'll
definitely take a look at it.
>
> Dojo has come a long way in the past year, and many things have become
> trivial to perform. It's definitely worth looking into.
>
> But, again, just because we're going to partner with Dojo does not mean
> ZF users need to use Dojo. If you're comfortable with a JS library
> already, ZF will continue to accomodate it. :-)
Definitely - I don't see integrating jQuery with ZF to be much of a problem,
especially with this new component.
>
>
> > My point being that I would find jQuery + ZF integration useful because
> > switching to Dojo probably doesn't make sense for us.
>
> Exactly. And perhaps that will lead to you or others contributing jQuery
> integration in the future. :-)
Already thought of it, now if I could only find the time to actually
contribute something to ZF :-)
>
>
>
> > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Rob Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 21 May 2008, at 20:15, Pádraic Brady wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's really great news! And once the Dojo implementation is in
> place as
> > a template it's an open field for someone to step up and do
> something
> > similar for the lighter libraries like jQuery.
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder if this will actually happen long term?
> >
> > I think you can essentially assume that most other JS/Ajax libraries
> won't
> > be used with ZF by the majority of developers once the new Zend-Dojo
> stuff
> > is released. There just won't be the same level of documentation,
> mailing
> > list or irc help on how to do stuff compared to using Dojo.
> >
> > Even if the relevant components are written for another JS library,
> to
> > adopt them you have to decide if they will be keep up with the
> official
> > Zend-Dojo components over the years that follow. Who will maintain
> them and
> > update them through ZF 2.0, 3.0 etc? This is the bit that would worry
> me
> > about adopting something other than Dojo for use with ZF over the
> long
> > term.
> >
> >
> > I'm planning on telling my developers at work that we need to migrate
> to
> > Dojo over the next 6 months. I had a look at the Dojo docs and at
> first
> > glance they don't look as comprehensive as we've been used to, but
> I'm sure
> > we'll manage.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rob...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bradley Holt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> --
> Matthew Weier O'Phinney
> Software Architect | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Zend - The PHP Company | http://www.zend.com/
>
--
Bradley Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
