-- Bradley Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Wednesday, 21 May 2008, 04:48 PM -0400):
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> -- Bradley Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> (on Wednesday, 21 May 2008, 03:49 PM -0400):
> > We probably will not be switching to Dojo (but I'll be looking into it
> for
> > sure), even with it being available as part of ZF. We currently use
> jQuery.
> > Part of the benefit of using jQuery is that a CSS designer can learn how
> to use
> > it. This is because they can take the same concept of applying style
> using CSS
> > selectors but instead add behavior using CSS selectors (leveraging the
> skills
> > they already have and not burdening a developer with the work). Sure,
> for
> > full-on RIAs ZF + Dojo will probably be the best option. But with jQuery
> our
> > designers can do a lot of the JavaScript work - I'm not going to ask a
> designer
> > to learn Dojo as it seems a lot more complicated (I haven't used Dojo,
> just
> > read through some of the documentation).
>
> Actually, in many cases, using Dojo is as simple or simpler than what
> you've just stated regarding jquery. ;-)
>
>
> I'll definitely be checking out Dojo with this new ZF integration - I really
> don't know enough to speak very intelligently about it. Heck, the fact that
> you
> recommend and like using Dojo is enough for me to check it out, never mind the
> ZF integration. ;-)
>
>
>
>
> For instance, want to make a date chooser?
>
> <input type="text" name="foo" dojoType="dijit.form.DateTextBox" />
>
>
> OK, now I remember one of the things that turned me off about Dojo when I
> first
> looked at. I'm a stickler for valid XHTML and the dojoType attribute breaks
> validity. I realize this is just for illustrative purposes and there's
> probably
> a way to use Dojo and still have valid XHTML. I'll look into it more on my own
> (don't want to turn this into a Dojo discussion).
This is a good point, and, as usual, there is an answer to it. You can
always programmatically attach dijits to nodes by CSS selectors, and
this is a method I've used with success in the past.
The issue has also been debated pretty heavily in the Dojo community
already. Alex Russell (of the dojo foundation) has a couple of lengthy
posts about it:
http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=622
http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=642
The bottom line is: yes, it will not pass the W3C XHTML validators, but
_all_ major browsers will utilize the notation without issue. So, you
can programmatically decorate your elements, or use the attribute
notation (dojoType="...") cross-browser without problems. If XHTML
validation is an issue or you feel strongly about it, the programmatic
option is relatively easy and perfectly viable.
> If you want to modify based on CSS selectors, you can leverage
> dojo.query():
>
> dojo.query('#foo li a').style("text-decoration: none; color: #F00;");
>
>
> Right after I sent out my email I did some Googling (sorry, "web searching")
> and found dojo.query - I'm curious as to how it compares to jQuery, I'll
> definitely take a look at it.
I haven't played with jquery much, so I can't answer to it. But if
you've ever used the $$() function in prototype, it'll be very familiar.
> Dojo has come a long way in the past year, and many things have become
> trivial to perform. It's definitely worth looking into.
>
> But, again, just because we're going to partner with Dojo does not mean
> ZF users need to use Dojo. If you're comfortable with a JS library
> already, ZF will continue to accomodate it. :-)
>
>
> Definitely - I don't see integrating jQuery with ZF to be much of a problem,
> especially with this new component.
>
>
>
>
> > My point being that I would find jQuery + ZF integration useful because
> > switching to Dojo probably doesn't make sense for us.
>
> Exactly. And perhaps that will lead to you or others contributing jQuery
> integration in the future. :-)
>
>
> Already thought of it, now if I could only find the time to actually
> contribute
> something to ZF :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Rob Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 21 May 2008, at 20:15, Pádraic Brady wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's really great news! And once the Dojo implementation is in
> place as
> > a template it's an open field for someone to step up and do
> something
> > similar for the lighter libraries like jQuery.
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder if this will actually happen long term?
> >
> > I think you can essentially assume that most other JS/Ajax libraries
> won't
> > be used with ZF by the majority of developers once the new Zend-Dojo
> stuff
> > is released. There just won't be the same level of documentation,
> mailing
> > list or irc help on how to do stuff compared to using Dojo.
> >
> > Even if the relevant components are written for another JS library,
> to
> > adopt them you have to decide if they will be keep up with the
> official
> > Zend-Dojo components over the years that follow. Who will maintain
> them and
> > update them through ZF 2.0, 3.0 etc? This is the bit that would
> worry
> me
> > about adopting something other than Dojo for use with ZF over the
> long
> > term.
> >
> >
> > I'm planning on telling my developers at work that we need to
> migrate
> to
> > Dojo over the next 6 months. I had a look at the Dojo docs and at
> first
> > glance they don't look as comprehensive as we've been used to, but
> I'm sure
> > we'll manage.
--
Matthew Weier O'Phinney
Software Architect | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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