To be perfectly honest, Rob, if the standard library components will be the only part of ZF that is maintained over time and major releases, then we'll need to start scaling back our expectations of this project- and quick-like! Actually, I'd rather just build a reality where the extras library will deliver a lot of components that may be more useful, important, and possibly even more actively developed than some in the standard library. J
I would strongly recommend you look in to building compatibility with jQuery (and contributing it back!) if you have already made a significant investment in this toolkit and/or you happen to prefer it for whatever reason. The fact is, JS toolkits- like template systems, persistence layers, etc.- are built very differently with some working better than others for certain projects or developers. The last thing we want to do is force a developer to use any one technology when they feel there is a better one out there for them. Please, Rob, investigate jQuery/ZF compatibility, help a community effort to build support in to ZF, and then write a book about it. BTW, I should take this opportunity to re-assert that extras library components will *not* be second-class citizens in ZF. The only effective difference is possibly in distribution (we might deliver a lean/mean package with no extras, unit tests, locale files, etc.) and support. We do not expect adoption of extras components to be affected by their inclusion in the extras library vs. the standard library. Ask yourself- if you really liked jQuery and it worked for you and your project, and there were a jQuery component for ZF in extras with the same quality guarantees as the standard library, and you didn't care that much about having full Zend support for every component in your project, would you choose Dojo simply because it was in the standard library? Maybe you would- fortunately it will be there for you too. ;) ,Wil From: Rob Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:35 PM To: Zend Framework General Subject: Re: [fw-general] Zend Framework and Dojo On 21 May 2008, at 20:15, Pádraic Brady wrote: It's really great news! And once the Dojo implementation is in place as a template it's an open field for someone to step up and do something similar for the lighter libraries like jQuery. I wonder if this will actually happen long term? I think you can essentially assume that most other JS/Ajax libraries won't be used with ZF by the majority of developers once the new Zend-Dojo stuff is released. There just won't be the same level of documentation, mailing list or irc help on how to do stuff compared to using Dojo. Even if the relevant components are written for another JS library, to adopt them you have to decide if they will be keep up with the official Zend-Dojo components over the years that follow. Who will maintain them and update them through ZF 2.0, 3.0 etc? This is the bit that would worry me about adopting something other than Dojo for use with ZF over the long term. I'm planning on telling my developers at work that we need to migrate to Dojo over the next 6 months. I had a look at the Dojo docs and at first glance they don't look as comprehensive as we've been used to, but I'm sure we'll manage. Regards, Rob...
