On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 04:44  am, Joe Clark wrote:
> I suppose it is banal to complain that dumb-arse dealers wasted my
> time, but that is what they did. They also lost a sale; I would have
> bought the adapter on the spot had anyone mentioned it. I only
> learned about it by stumbling around online.

Well there is a lesson to be learnt from this - some people don't know 
jack! ;)

Actually I was going to say there is no such thing as a person who knows 
*everything* about computers, of ANY format. What's more actual genuine 
experts are few and far between (most are these hard acting d00dz) and I 
am surprised how much credit I get for performing a simple change of 
hardware or driver update. You think you Mac guys have problems you 
should try going to PC World or Dixons in the UK and asking the 
difference between DDR SDRAM and intel flavoured RDRAM - it's a 
misinformation waiting to happen (I don't know the difference either 
before u ask but I do know what each one is)! A lot of the high street 
stores here sell PCs as 'just another appliance' which is the wrong 
attitude. Sales people are poorly trained and badly informed to deal 
with more advanced customers. I have to say the only exception is John 
Lewis plc, who are my only high street Mac dealer! They do a 
professional job.

The lessons to take are:

1. Sales people are what they are tagged - SALES - all they want is you 
to write them a cheque for $xxxx and take the stuff on their word. It's 
futile trying to talk them into selling you a part that loads costs 
less, they just surmise that 'It will not be adequate'. For them 
Usefulness = Price, which we all no is bunk, isn't it? Please note: 
There are occasionally SOME exceptions to this rule. Customer 
satisfaction does actually concern some companies - MacWarehouse (who I 
drove up the wall when I had a 7500) and Dabs.com are two that 
immediately spring to mind.

2. Look everywhere at once. I do this. As a case in point. Take my 
iBook - I started out by looking up the various models. I then posted on 
news groups asking if anyone knew any sources. I also looked for myself 
on eBay, buy.com etc. and in free advert pages. I then gathered up all 
the information I knew and came to a conclusion. The result - I got my 
iBook, knew exactly what I wanted and didn't have to spend hours on the 
phone arguing with a sale assistant about which would be best for me. I 
also - through all this investigation, got a good deal on a refurbished 
model (not just second owner) with a 3 month warranty (not great but 
it's better than eBay) and the assurance that it had been looked over by 
an Apple Approved techie before shipping.

3. Research is a golden tool. It can save you a fortune and in this day 
and age you can do it with the comfort of your mouse. I'm serious, I 
ALWAYS check 4 or five places either by internet or (sometimes as well) 
by phone to get prices and options before making a big purchase. Not 
only the web but mailing lists such as this one can also provide 
valuable information. I always checked, when buying a Mac, if any 
problems would arise on the relevant mailing lists before I got it 
(although the old ATA bug on my Rev. 1 G3 B&W slipped through but it's 
no biggy) and after I ordered it for advice.

In short Look around various sources - find what you want - find out who 
has it ant the best price/best deal - buy it knowing exactly what you 
want. Too many people take trawling the internet (sorry about the pun!) 
as a last resort. My Dad used to purchase hardware for a local council - 
he has taught me these lessons. The net might not be a great place for 
efficient research but it's better than arguing with your idiot sales 
d00d.

Here endeth the lesson (lecture???). My 2p ran out again....

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