Well Ive collected not so much info but what I have is quality stuff =)

here's a rundown..

from a source who has dropped a Gigabit into a B&W :

 "I have had a B&W, Gigabit, and DA mobo. <*he has a DA in a AXT case*> I
would not reccomend trying to put the DA into a B&W case...tho it may work.
Making that extra PCI slot fit would be a bitch. <*jury still out on this
one   I wouldnt mind having a pci slot missing in exchange for 33 more mhz's
=) *>

Putting  a Gigabit board in is a cinch tho.  One motherboard mounting
post (maybe 2...don't remember) has to be removed, and the back panel
has to have the firewire ports re done...and a audio port hole has to
be drilled...and that is all.  It's a really simple swap and everything
lines up perfectly.  "

**so the only real dif. are the audio and firewire ports in the back =) **
 
**power supply still the kicker...**

" Gigabit and newer all use the 22 pin...you can wire up a box to convert
5v to 22v...but I suggest just getting a 338 watt PSU. "

** and finially    the CPU **

" For the CPU...you need a G4 AGP or newer CPU. "


SO....  I think Im gonna go for it =)   Ive got my 9600/G3-450 sold for $400
so I think Ill have enough $ to play with it for a couple weeks... so heres
my plan < assumption >...

keep my IDE/ata cdrw/dvd and zip
3 of my 4 sticks of ram are pc133 so I keep my ram
keep my ide/ata  hard drive
keep my Radeon DDR PCI
keep all my addons<printer/floppy/etc> *gport prob isnt compatible w/g4

buy gigabit,dv,or QS mb < can sell my Soundblaster if got a DV >
buy a 22pin PSU
buy an AGP processor

sell my rev.2 B&W mb
sell my B&W 20 pin PSU
sell my G4/400 Zif

Ive been pricing things out for a little over an hour now and if I began
today I could have the total cost, when all is said and done, well under
$100.  and end up with a  G4/450 AGP

with not only the ability to add  dual processors  but also a 1ghz
processor, pretty much at will ( and $ =) )


thats like putting a 5.0L in a model T  =)   makes my head kinda dizzy.


so if anyone has any of those things listed up there that I need to BUY
email me off list with a price  and we'll talk turkey   so I can have an
early Xmas.

my eyes hurt...Im done for the day.



> On Tuesday, Oct 15, 2002, at 21:22 Europe/London,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> OK, I located a guy that has at least dropped a Gigabit E motherboard
>> in his
>> B&W case  with what he described as "light" modification.  I will post
>> the
>> details  when I receive them form him.
>> 
>> The powersupply is still the kicker..needs to be a 22pin power supply
> 
> GOD DAMN IT (sorry - I didn't mean to say it hat loud :( )
> 
>> ( at
>> least for the gigabit m.b.  still checking for the QS and DV )
> 
> <crosses fingers - although the boards are very expensive>
> 
>> and they
>> arent easy to find    but they can be found under $100.  has to do
>> with a
>> trickle current that needs to be sent in order for it to start up...or
>> something to that effect. ( also checking on possible PS mod to
>> compensate
>> for it )
> 
> Your doing a fine job. I doubt I;ll get around to doing mine for a
> while yet (like about a year at this rate!) but when I do I'll make
> sure I saved all your info :).
> 
>> still looking for an early christmas =)
>> 
>> oh another tidbit    you need at least the gigabit mb in order to run
>> dual
>> processors ...seems apple was up to their ole' crippling tactics on the
>> earlier agp boards. < some type of added chip to prevent the addition
>> of the
>> double processors >
> 
> Yah, that was the southbridge thingy I mentioned I think. AFAIK most
> modern G4 AGP upgrades will not work with anything prior to the Gigabit
> G4s unless they have the newest (and last) AGP Sawtooth logic board
> before the Gig E was inroduced.
> 
> Frankly I am waiting also to see if PowerLogix can produce the patch to
> enable the >550MHz G4s in the B&W/Yikes first and how much that would
> cost. I could cope with just a Radeon 7000 and an 800MHz G4 and PCI
> until the new generation macs with IBM (successful men we work and work
> all day, IBM successful men that's why we are so gay *hey!* - sorry :)
> ) Power4/PowerPC 970 or whatever in it.


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