On 2002-11-19 15:30, "David M. Ensteness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 06:41 AM, Joost van de Griek wrote: > >> On 2002-11-18 22:12, "David M. Ensteness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I would disagree with Apple forcing people to upgrade based on the fact that >>> Apple has a better legacy support history and better backwards compatibility >>> than anyone else [namely PC makers and MS]. >> >> Apparently, their record is no guarantee that they will keep this up. > > I am not sure what you mean here, improved support for older graphics > cards and SCSI devices seem to indicate they have kept up backwards > compatibility. Neither. What I mean is that once they have a new OS version out, they drop support for older versions like a stone. I understand they have ceased development for Classic Mac OS; OS X is the way of the future, and it has been on the market for well over a year. Longer if you count the Public Beta. But Jaguar had been out a mere two months, and Apple decided that to get up to speed on java development (among other things), you'd have to pony up or be left behind. >> I develop Java applications. All my co-workers are on JDK 1.4. Have been for >> some time, actually. Now, finally, Apple have gotten with the program, and >> upped their JDK from 1.3 to 1.4. > > Its great that you are developing JAVA apps, I like JAVA, or at least the idea > of it. I also know little of it, but can't you simply download update packages > for the version of JAVA you want to use to most OSes? I may be very wrong > here, just say the word. But I am also curious, does JDK correspond with the > version of JAVA you are using? If not, can you tell me what it means? Java Development Kit. JDK 1.4 is the development kit for Java 2 1.4. When OS X was released/announced, Apple promised to provide the best platform for Java in the industry. They did, for a short while. Then they let it slip badly. Now that they've gotten back up to speed, they decide they will stop supporting an OS they were SELLING no less than two months earlier. Bad form. >> However, for me to get on the same version as my colleagues, I will first >> have to invest 169 euros in OS 10.2, because the new JDK won't work on 10.1. >> Just because. Because Apple feel it's a nice way to force me to buy a new OS, >> I presume. > > I think you presume wrong, do you charge for your work? Do you charge > for the new and improved versions? I suspect so. So does Apple. Actually, they don't. JDK is a free download for developers, like all of Apple's developer tools. Making the JDK work on OS 10 < Jaguar would cost them no more than a recompile. >> While in fact, it's a nice way to make me walk over to our systems manager >> and have him put a big fat Windows 2000 development machine on my desk. For >> free. > > Really, Windows PCs don't cost money, but Macintosh OSes do? Seems to me that > you are not comparing the two things equally here. I have a feeling you will > tell me that your IT dept. or whoever is supplying the systems would prefer > your office to use Windows and therefore there is no out of budget cost to you > for it. Sort of. They don't mind whether I use Mac OS or Windows. But when I do decide to use Windows, they will indeed put a big box running it on my desk. At no charge to me. They will not purchase a Mac OS for me (well, technically they already did; they bought this iBook I'm working on right now. But it's mine to maintain. Long story.). What I also mean by that, is that I put some serious effort into working on my preferred OS at a place where another OS is the de facto standard. I get by. Don't get me wrong, I like Jaguar, I think Apple are fully in their right to charge for it, and once they start offering it free to teachers here like they do in the US, I will probably get a copy, too (my girlfriend is a teacher). But I will not let myself be forced into buying an OS when the one I am using is adequate. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
