AirPort uses an open standard, 802.11b and 802.11g. 802.11b was developed by Apple with Lucent and released to IEEE for standard acceptance. 802.11g developed from that and to my knowledge Apple was not involved in that in any sort of direct way. The card Apple makes is proprietary and goes in a proprietary card slot. I was also under half the price of Wintel compatible 802.11b cards when it was introduced and remained that way for well over a year. I think that is pretty cool.

As far as Apple forcing you to use an AirPort card on a G4? That is a stupid thing to say. There are several PCI solutions for Power Mac G4s and Apple doesn't make them. It was a troll because you were complaining about something that was inaccurate, Apple has lots of problems but they don't really need you out there making up more fictitious ones, neither do I. Rant away, I am not going to respond to this thread again, I have a junk mail filter for that .... oh wait, its an Apple junk mail filter - wonder if that is a conspiracy against you?

Regarding other statements:

is spending big money trying to discredit. but hey, if you don't want to hear
about the problems with macs, please feel free to bury you're head.

There are problems but Apple having a proprietary AirPort card slot on their desktops doesn't create one when there are several 3rd party solutions. Please complain about real things.


you'll also
note that i said the new g5 machines are supposed to be kick ass, as apple
finally hired a good hardware designer and listened.

Yeah, god only knows everything else they have produced has always sucked. Like the Blue and White G3s, or FireWire, or the original iMac that sold one every 15 minutes, every hour of every day for one year. Or the various G4 models, no one bought those, and PowerBooks - who actually likes PowerBooks, do people buy those? And what is this iPod I keep hearing about? I mean it must be crap right, that one fruit company makes it. Yeah, until this new G5 everything Apple has made sucked ... hence why we all gather one these lists, huh? Oh and "that guy" who designs their hardware has been there for about 8 years now so "finally" is sorta relative.


Regarding Apple listening - the release of the G4, CDRW drives when they admitted to screwing up by including only DVD-ROMs instead, the return of an Apple Menu of any kind when it was not included in the OS X Public Beta, numerous other GUI changes to OS X based on user feedback. Support for older ATi Rage chipsets under 10.1.5. Dual 5.25" drive bays in Mirrored Drive Door G4s. More PCI slots in G4s. More hard drive bays and connectors in G4s. Hmm, what else ... Apple never used to listen AT ALL. Now, they do listen at times but they still run their own show, I don't like all they do, but they do some cool stuff.

if you think there's a
good reason you have to fork out $50 for an adapter to use someone else's
digital lcd monitor rather than apples, by all means send me some $$ as well,
and dan, we could both really use it!

Actually my G4 that came with ADC ports also came with an ADC to VGA adapter so I could use someone else's display. You do have to buy an ADC-DVI adapter if you need one but if you buy a PC with DVI you have to buy one if you want to use an ADC display, its the same thing. Most PC manufacturers don't include *any* display adapters of any kind. So if you do need one, go buy one. What if I want to use a VGA display but I bought a PC that came with ONLY a DVI connector - some do - then what????? Oh yeah, I have to buy an adapter.


if i were in the market for a top end
machine, i'd even give the g5 a good look, though to be honest it would probably
wind up with open bsd or another *nix on it.......

Since they ship with OS X and OS X runs a complete implementation of FreeBSD, I don't really get this. Some people like to tweak the heck out of their UNIX box and that is a fine argument, but that isn't why you just said it, so it doesn't apply. You are just taking another moment to make a statement that something Apple makes [OS X] isn't good enough for you.


apple's share would be a lot larger if they had always been able to use vga
monitors without adapters,

Apple chose DB-15 before VGA or SVGA existed. They stuck with it for legacy support until the Blue and White G3s. Those Blue and Whites came with a free adapter to go from SVGA to DB-15 so you could use an older Apple display if you had one, better not give Apple credit for that though, then I would be an apologist right? The PC industry used several different display connectors up until VGA became the standard. Apple played around with uses several all in one connections for AV and such to their displays, they also used to be a lot shyer about cutting legacy support, something they get blasted for all the time now a days but are finally brave enough to do. Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad, can't always be right you know.


but hey, if the heat makes you cranky, then by all means call me a troll or a
gate's plant, though i've said an awfully lot of negative things about
micro-sponge and their products before. get over it folks, all, ALL big
companies are corrupt, even apple, that's what happens when you have a soul less
beast with lots of money. (by definition in the u.s., a corporation is a
fictitious person, and one of the main reasons for incorporating are to avoid
personal responsibility for your decisions and protect your own wealth, stolen
from that fictitious person).

Wow, you negative much? If I actually felt that way I couldn't stand to live in such a place and contribute to suck a bankrupt culture - how do you get over that?


Have a good day all, that is all I plan to say on this,

David


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