On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM, paul beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Share holders, could be assumed to, always want "more". > > If you aren't a shareholder, please don't presume to know what actual > shareholders want. > >> >> > And your "independently derived" ideas have been commonplace since the >> > early >> > 1990s, if not earlier. >> >> >> I have been otherwise"occupied". My own speculations have come out of >> what I have been exposed to on LEM. >> I suspect others, as well as myself, have long wanted to have an >> Apple OS on any machine they had available . >> It was some of the more controversial aspects of my proposals here >> that seemed to draw a lot of fire. >> >> I don't know if these ideas are so commonplace after all. I take my >> cues from Bruce and the others as to the >> "commonplace" of Mac community norms. And many have been highly >> resistant to these ideas. >> Amongst developers, however, I can believe these ideas have been >> speculated about for a long time. > > > at the risk of being accused of an ad hominem attack, these arguments are > very similar to those of the great unwashed, ie Windows fanboys,
The old Machead sentiment raising it's provincial head. Now we are talking! But be warned, I was an Amigan first and in sentiment still am. Amigans were doing multimedia and fighting MS advocates for the life of their favored platform when Mac users were figuring out how to make a cardstack. And when I moved to Macs I again had to defend my choice of platform . " Why don't I see Macs in stores if they are so damn good" . So to slur me as you have implied merely means you have no idea the battles I have fought nor the sacrifices made to be able to get a good GUI. Amigans had to deal with the ripping of the OS from the hardware, a painful and grievous process. Some Amigans are still wailing at the grave. While others knew the OS could live again on any hardware they chose to adapt it to. Any further discussion along any of these lines will be offlist. But Amigans knew what they want in a GUI and have been pursuing it ever since those days. I > who enjoy > tinkering and playing with dip switches and assembling frankenboxes far more > than actually turning on the power and having a consistent productive > experience each and every time. > the idea of licensing dates back to before Windows 95 and as you may recall > (not sure how conversant you are with the history of the Mac: Don't let that stop you. I suppose being an LEM lister for almost a decade and $ 2.10 will get me a venti caffee Americano at any Starbucks in the land. Respect from another lister . Not so easy to find. > I can't help > but think you're pretty new to it) there were licensed clones in the late > 90s. It didn't last, partly due to quality issues and the idea of brand > dilution but mostly because Himself returned to run Apple and made the > decision to simplify the product line. Anyone who remembers those days > remembers a plethora of hardware items -- Preformas with cryptic 4 digit > names, the LCs, Quadras, Centrises, the PowerBooks and Duos -- vs what we > have today -- MacBooks in two flavors, the mini, the iMac, and the Pro > line. > I think if you understood the history, you might be able to understand the > present. But as far as I can tell, you don't know how we got here. We who? I replaced my first Mac motherboard 8 years ago! > Who cares what developers think? You said the ideas I referred to where commonplace. I agreed where developers would be concerned as they would logically be the ones to see the potential implications of an Intel based architecture They get access to software earlier than we > do, to discounted hardware, to an entirely different experience than the > end-user sees. So what if they would like to see cheaper kit or be able to > run OS X on their toaster? > Anyone who has never heard of Darwin or never seen "Welcome to Darwin!" in a > Terminal window doesn't have very much credibility as a serious Mac user. Because I have spent most of my Mac use with OS 9 which has no CLi and my OS X time is spent at the university has been to learn applications rather than CLI scripting you assume you can judge me. Get off the high horse dude! > Likewise anyone who doesn't know who John Gruber is or who doesn't > read/hasn't heard of him or Daring Fireball is also not all that up to speed > on the state of the market. > Now to try and ignore this thread as well. Filtering should be easy for you. Tell the pope I said hello. Adrian D'Alessio > -- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
