Hi Dan, > Ok. I'm pre-coffee... so... 18 years huh? Then why didn't you > bother to say that the apps themselves don't work???? That does > kindof change the WHOLE nature of the issue... </rant>
I said literally "the programs don't work". > >My disks seem to be fine. > Except that you have fatal i/o error on the source and your > destination is obviously corrupted, since apps aren't working right. All apps work perfectly. Only about half of my classic apps stopped working under Tiger (like Illustrator 9 and all 3 Quark XPress versions I use) i.e. directly after the "upgrade" they became unavailable. Under Panther everything is still perfect. > >What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is > >busy when being cloned? > No, not busy. > It means rsync tried to read the data from the HD and it FAILED. The > hard drive refused to provide the data because of a FATAL error. > Either the hard drive had a controller problem or the the data blocks > involved have become unreadable. Further details might be available > in your system log. In between I did a file-level clone with the new CCC under Tiger and everything went well. So perhaps the old CCC app had some bugs? > >Can I just look up the BootX file on an installer CD and replace the > >flaky one with that? > IFF (If and ONLY if) it's just those files or directories involved, > then yes. BUT given your other issues, I'm wondering what else has > died on that drive. The error occurred always only on the BootX-file. Before the error occurred I was successfully cloning both my drives twice a week w/o any errors. The few other problems I had before (CCC just stopped cloning) were probably caused because in the beginning I was cloning in the background thus actually changing the drive I was cloning ... But now comes the clincher: When I was busy replacing the BootX file from an older Panther clone on a FireWire drive I accidentally put the CoreServices folder in the trash (command-backspace). I meant the BootX file but the folder was highlighted. How is that possible anyway? The owner of CoreServices is/was system, I'm only the humble admin ... And then I couldn't get the darn thing out of the trash again - no permissions! Wow!! OSX let me trash an absolutely essential folder but I can't retrieve it again. What a PITA ... Some bad blocks huh? Better get a new drive. What happened to SMART anyway? That's supposed to warn me when my drive gets flaky or not? DiskUtility tells me that SMART was checked. So my SMART went DUMB on me ... I probably have still warranty on that Western Digital drive but I won't get a new drive with this "hazy" story I guess. How do you kill a drive w/o visible destruction on the outside? ;-) After my original boot volume was thus crippled I tried to start (restarted with the alt-key) from the clone on the other drive (that system partition booted perfectly before) and that gave me the darn message in three languages to restart my computer. This is the most stupid message of OSX I know because a simple restart will never help! They should add that you will have to push the alt-key when restarting and choose another drive to start up from. If you have one that is ... So I still had a bootable Tiger volume left and started up from that. Then I replaced the BootX file in the CoreServices folder of my clone that wouldn't start (still can't figure out why) with that from the external and copied that folder to the crippled volume. Then I restarted from that volume and all was hunky dory again. But it gave me a bit of a scare I can tell you. As you can see having three boot volumes isn't a luxury sometimes ... Regards, Jörg. On Nov 7, 4:54 pm, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 3:38 AM -0800 11/7/2008, yawg wrote: > > Please remember to BOTTOM post and TRIM on these LEM lists. > It makes tracking support issues MUCH easier. > > >I know about aliases, have been working with Macs for 18 years. The > >question marks aside the apps themselves don't work when I open > >them in ther real folders. > > Ok. I'm pre-coffee... so... 18 years huh? Then why didn't you > bother to say that the apps themselves don't work???? That does > kindof change the WHOLE nature of the issue... </rant> > > >My disks seem to be fine. > > Except that you have fatal i/o error on the source and your > destination is obviously corrupted, since apps aren't working right. > > >What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is > >busy when being cloned? > > No, not busy. > > It means rsync tried to read the data from the HD and it FAILED. The > hard drive refused to provide the data because of a FATAL error. > Either the hard drive had a controller problem or the the data blocks > involved have become unreadable. Further details might be available > in your system log. > > >Can I just look up the BootX file on an installer CD and replace the > >flaky one with that? > > IFF (If and ONLY if) it's just those files or directories involved, > then yes. BUT given your other issues, I'm wondering what else has > died on that drive. > > I'm thinking you need to find out how bad the problem is. It may be > that your source drive is dying. It may be that the media just grew > a few bad blocks. You need to get your user data backed up, check > the log files, then repave that whole drive (all its volumes). Erase > / Zero it, at least two passes, to make sure all the bad blocks get > mapped out. Check the logs to make sure there were no fatal > controller errors. If none, then it might be safe to reload it from > scratch. > > ...If the backups you have are block-level clones, then you might not > be able to trust them! A perfect copy of corrupted data is itself > corrupted... > > HTH, > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
