On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:58 PM, James E. Therrault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> lampbay wrote:
>> Running any form of Windows or Microsoft software on my Mac is not
>> the issue - not because I dislike MS software, but because I prefer
>> Apple and Mac software.  Plus, I don't want to have any pesky bugs to
>> deal with - that's the main reason I switched to Apple - afterwards I
>> discovered what a pleasure working and playing with a Mac is.
>>
>> Here's an example - the G4 eMac had a Pioneer or Sony combo or
>> superdrive, higher-quality name brand hard drives and a CRT screen
>> for those who prefer them to LCDs.  The pre-Intel Apples were
>> manufactured better - the machines are sturdier and the parts last
>> longer.  Why get technical about the logic board and the case - the
>> facts are that the newer Macs - with the possible exceptions of the
>> most expensive MacPro and the new aluminum "brick" MacBook Pro - are
>> built with cheaper parts and with less quality than the older boxes.
>> Which would you rather have - a Seagate or Western Digital hard drive
>> or a Toshiba?  How about a Pioneer DVD writer vs. a Matshita?
>>
>> Actually, I'd prefer a Mac mini (that I had bought at a low price -
>> even a refurbished one)  that I'd remove the hard drive and
>> superdrive from, allowing it to run much cooler.  Then I'd plug in my
>> externally-powered boot drive, externally-powered DVD writer, CRT,
>> keyboard and mouse to USB ports.
>>
>> What I want from Apple is higher quality hardware at a lower price -
>> because I paid more than for a PC to get not just superior software,
>> but, at least, comparable quality hardware to the best that I can buy
>> off the shelf or online.   Now, I will admit, that PCs have gone the
>> route of cheaper insides as well and that is due to the marketplace
>> and the fact that just about everything is manufactured and assembled
>> in China and the far East.  Apple has dropped the price a bit on
>> their latest notebooks but they are still asking too much for their
>> hardware - but that has always been an argument that since Apple
>> provides a superior software product and the hardware it runs on is
>> designed and engineered to work flawlessly (for the most part) with
>> that software as well as that produced by other developers who follow
>> Apple's exacting specs. Apple could make me happy by allowing users
>> to buy a version of Mac OS (?) that will run on our choice of PC
>> hardware - say a DIY homebuilt that has exactly what we want in and
>> outside of the box.  My main complaint with Apple, since the move to
>> Intel, is that the hardware inside their boxes is getting poorer -
>> except for the performance of the Intel chip and the memory you can
>> add yourself.  Plus, the heat of packing so much into a small space
>> can contribute to early failure of parts.  Both Intels I've used were
>> sent in for warranty repairs - logic board failure and superdrive
>> failure - both within one year of purchase.
>>
>>
>> J.
>>
>
>
> You make a good point regarding quality then vs. quality now.
>
> For example, my mainstay desktop 400 MHz G4 Gigabit bought new in
> January of 2001 runs 24/7 except when sleeping. I have replaced all the
> drives, (upgraded to a superdrive Pioneer in 2006 and replaced all hard
> drives twice to increase capacity, not failure based). Other than that,
> this thing has performed flawlessly and is currently running 10.4.11
> along with Classic.
>
> I think the drop in quality of new Macs is related to Chinese
> manufacture as a basis.  Cheaper parts indeed!
>


ASUS has been known for increasing quality in it's mobos for years.  I
do not know if they made any pre-Intels though

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