> Third, should we start a separate email list for GalaxyAdmins business?  It 
> would have far fewer members and have far less traffic than Galaxy-Dev.  I'm 
> in favor of it.  If you have an opinion, please post here.

May want to wait until after we determine the future direction for the group 
unless the overhead in creating and maintaining it is low.

From: Dave Clements 
<cleme...@galaxyproject.org<mailto:cleme...@galaxyproject.org>>
Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:55 PM
To: Srinivas Maddhi 
<srinivas-mad...@uiowa.edu<mailto:srinivas-mad...@uiowa.edu>>
Cc: Hans-Rudolf Hotz <h...@fmi.ch<mailto:h...@fmi.ch>>, Galaxy Dev List 
<galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?

Hello all,

Just some minor updates to refresh this thread.  Most of this will be described 
in more detail in separate emails over the next two weeks.

First, the next web meetup will be May 15.  We haven't nailed down a main 
speaker yet, but Dannon Baker will be giving the project update.

Second, I've created a Birds-of-a-Feather (BoF) session at GCC2013 to continue, 
and maybe just finish, this discussion in person at the meeting (see 
http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Events/GCC2013/BoF/GalaxyAdmins).  If you are 
interested in participating in that BoF, either send me an email, or add your 
name to that wiki page.  (We will officially announce GCC2013 BoFs in a few 
weeks - after the poster abstract deadline, but feel free to get a head start 
and add your own now.  :-)

Third, should we start a separate email list for GalaxyAdmins business?  It 
would have far fewer members and have far less traffic than Galaxy-Dev.  I'm in 
favor of it.  If you have an opinion, please post here.

Thanks,

Dave C




On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Dave Clements 
<cleme...@galaxyproject.org<mailto:cleme...@galaxyproject.org>> wrote:
Hello all,

First, thanks to Srinivas and Hans for the responses.


I have kept track of the head counts for most meetups:

2012/07/07  27
2012/07/27  ? (in person meetup at GCC2012)
2012/09/19  10
2012/11/07  17
2013/01/16  14
2013/03/20  15

So, maybe converging on mid-teens?  This number is not as high as I had hoped.  
Srinivas, is there any way to tell how many times the screencasts have been 
watched afterword?


I'm see the group as complimentary to Galaxy-Dev, and I am leaning towards 
creating a Galaxy-Admins maling list that is purely about the group and group 
activities (Ann BZ's idea originally).  It would not be a support channel and 
any stray support postings would get redirected to Galaxy-Dev (or Galaxy-User, 
if that's where they belong).  We would still post activities to Galaxy-Dev as 
well, but any group business (like this discussion) would happen only on 
Galaxy-Admins.


On the group leadership issue I very much want the group to be led by people 
that are not part of the core team.  I am quite willing to continue to fill the 
"supportive" role I've been doing for the past year.  If GalaxyAdmins is to 
become a voice for the community at some point in the future, it should very 
definitely not be led by the core team.  However, if our future consists only 
of bi-monthly meetups (which have been great!) then it does not matter as much.


My 2p,

Dave C



On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas 
<srinivas-mad...@uiowa.edu<mailto:srinivas-mad...@uiowa.edu>> wrote:
Hi Hans,

Thanks for the response.


I didn't mean to advocate for an overlapping group but rather to identify
means to strengthen the existing dev and user group interactions. There
might, however, be some value in evaluating whether we are at a point, in
terms of number of deployment and support models for the same, wherein a
Galaxy admin specific group or mailing list would make sense.

We have had an estimated six to ten participants at the meet-ups that have
occurred since September 2012.

Best regards,
Srinivas.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans-Rudolf Hotz <h...@fmi.ch<mailto:h...@fmi.ch>>
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 3:21 AM
To: Srinivas Maddhi 
<srinivas-mad...@uiowa.edu<mailto:srinivas-mad...@uiowa.edu>>, Dave Clements
<cleme...@galaxyproject.org<mailto:cleme...@galaxyproject.org>>
Cc: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?

>Hi Srinivas
>
>Thank you very much for e-mail...and thereby reminding me that I haven't
>replied to Dave's call a week ago.
>
>I second most of your thoughts. However, I am not sure of the idea of
>creating a "full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for
>sharing, learning and collaborating". I like it, but how do you intend
>to distinguish this group from the current '[galaxy-dev]'
>group/community? I am afraid stuff will get lost between the two groups
>or it leads to duplication.....probably something we need to discuss in
>Oslo?
>
>I am definitively in favor of a dual leadership - one person from the
>admin community and one from the Galaxy team.
>
>Regards, Hans-Rudolf
>
>
>PS: Do you have stats of who (or how many) has taken part in the past
>     "meetups"? I think the numbers have been much smaller than the
>     number of responses to Ann's original proposal last April.
>
>
>
>
>
>On 04/05/2013 10:43 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Based on my observations and interactions during the past few meet-ups
>> and as an administrator of Galaxy, the current goals of the group [1]
>> remain relevant and are being met through the meet-ups.  An additional
>> benefit to these meet-ups that has evolved is an update from a member of
>> the Galaxy team on upcoming features and other developments.
>>
>> With regard to the future of the group, my suggestion is to keep it
>> going and work towards building a full-fledged user group with
>> additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating. This
>> will strengthen the community, possibly drive increased adoption, and
>> further serve to guide development of Galaxy.
>>
>> Appointing one of more leaders (one each from the Galaxy team and user
>> community) to identify speakers, drive the agenda, set a cadence to the
>> meet-ups and drive the formation of a user group would be helpful, IMHO.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Notes:
>> 1. Build a community, learn from each other
>>
>> From: Dave Clements 
>> <cleme...@galaxyproject.org<mailto:cleme...@galaxyproject.org>
>> <mailto:cleme...@galaxyproject.org<mailto:cleme...@galaxyproject.org>>>
>> Date: Monday, April 1, 2013 11:07 AM
>> To: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu>
>><mailto:galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-...@bx.psu.edu>>>
>> Subject: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary
>> (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what
>> the future of the group should be.
>>
>> Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future
>> Directions page
>> (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future).  These
>> include
>>
>>   * What should the group's goals and activities be?
>>   * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how
>> should it be selected?
>> The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the
>> group.  If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the
>> group.  Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post.
>>
>> Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki
>> page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave C.
>>
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