Hi another way to find the shut down button in win 7 is to press the windows 
key and right arrow.

hth 
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On 18 Dec 2013, at 4:45 am, Thomas Ward <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Dark,
> 
> While I take your point I think your biggest problem comes down to
> unfamiliarity and lack of experience with the OS rather than the user
> interface itself being bad. Remember you only used Windows 7 for a
> very short amount of time and you have not had the time or experience
> to learn how to do things differently from XP which causes
> frustrations and a dislike of the new user interface.
> 
> For example, you said it gets on your wick trying to find the Shutdown
> Button. It is not hard to find at all. Just do control+escape, hit the
> tab key three times, and you will land on the Shutdown Button each and
> every time. Not complicated at all, but I figure you probably sat down
> to that Windows 7 machine and tried to navigate the Start Menu the
> same way as the XP Start Menu. Obviously, that won't work and you need
> to relearn how to navigate the Windows 7 Start Menu because it is
> arranged totally different.
> 
> My point being is you hate the new interface in large part because you
> don't know it. It is unfamiliar to you. You have to forget about the
> things you know and have someone teach you new shortcuts and ways to
> handle the interface, and for you, at least, there is no benefit in
> doing it other than for the sake of upgrading. That's fair, but do
> recognize your dislike has less to do with the interface being bad but
> more to do with your lack of experience and familiarity with it. I
> think if you had as much experience with Windows 7 as XP you would
> probably feel differently about the interface.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> On 12/17/13, dark <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi Tom.
>> 
>> Well that is certainly true, when anything is renamed and redesigned people
>> 
>> are going to have to spend more time relearning it, however I do think
>> blindness plays a factor just from my experience of when i could do a task
>> visually as opposed to when i just had to rely on a screen reader.
>> 
>> To take one example, one thing that got on my whick about the windows 7
>> start menue was the fact of it's tree view rather than it being a list. This
>> 
>> meant I had to spend considderable time finding basic options such as
>> shutdown etc (I suspect classic shell fixes this to an extent).
>> 
>> To take one example, when discussing smugglers the upgrade from smugglers 4
>> 
>> to smugglers 5, one question which came up frequently was where the boarding
>> 
>> skill was, since it's tree position has changed in the interface of the two
>> 
>> games since the trees and the way the skills are distributed among the
>> professions have changed./
>> 
>> Now, S5 actually has a vastly superior and easier to navigate tree than s4,
>> 
>> and there have been several handy access fixes such as it now showing what
>> previous skills are required for later ones when you bring up an info
>> window, thus making it no longer necessary to physically learn the tree view
>> 
>> as you had to in s4.
>> 
>> For a sighted user however, the relocation of this skill wasn't an issue.
>> They could just look at the tree and bang, there it was, indeed the very
>> concept of tree diagrams, though not inherently a difficult matter is a very
>> 
>> visual one to grasp in it's entirety without being able to overview the hole
>> 
>> tree, (one reason for the fix of showing skill requirements which I
>> suggested for the game).
>> 
>> With windows 8 and 8.1, well I'll have to see if I can find a system running
>> 
>> it I could try at some point, and I do in fairness see advantages to things
>> 
>> like weather and basic news alerts on the desktop, (I like having it on my
>> Iphone).
>> 
>> Beware the Grue!
>> 
>> Dark.
>> 
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