HI Willem, Are you actually referring to me here or just speaking generally?
As far as web views go, I've seen discussion even just about three months ago or so on Eyes Free about web views not being accessible. This came from a visually impaired Android developer who was trying to make suggestions to a sighted developer on how to make their app more accessible. The visually impaired dev said that web views' accessibility was very poor at best. Since I have no other info on this I'll not speak on this one any more. As far as our own experience with Android development goes, I can assure you that this is not just a simple matter of trying something and not being able to do it on Android so we gave up. I work with world-class developers who are experts in their fields. So when they tell me something is less than accessible, I listen. :) Part of the reason my team chooses not to port our apps to Android at present is not just the use of the OS itself, it is also the effort that a lay-person must potentially go through in order to either have a device that is accessible to them or re-activate that device if it or some part of the OS crashes or otherwise fails in some way which may render the device inaccessible. • Can the customer bring the device up talking again by themselves on all devices with all OS versions? • HOw much effort is involved in setting the device up or re-enabling accessibility so the customer can then use it effectively again or for the first time? The above concerns along with the lack of a standardized access experience across devices and OS versions makes developing on Android a no-go for us at least in the immediate future. You'd mentioned that web views are now accessible? Would you mind at all describing the process of using one on Android now? As well, if anything I'm saying is in error, please, can you direct me to correct info so I have the latest? Thanks so much and have a great day! Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Feb 24, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Willem Venter <dwill...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Cara. I don't know Chris and I don't know his work, but in this case he methods were flawed and his research shoddy and biased. Yes, web views weren't always accessible. This is false since (in some cases) android 3.0 and others 4.0 as improvements are made in new versions. This happened in 2012 already. IMO there are much better and debatably easier ways of creating an accessible program in Android. Claiming inaccessibility because you weren't able to do things the microsoft or IOS way instead of following android accessibility guidelines or if you were using an old version of android doesn't prove much. Each OS dictates their own terms under which programs should be written. This holds for Windows, IOS, Android and many others. On 2/24/14, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote: > HI Willem, > > Chris is one of the most thorough and meticulous researches I know of. > > For myself, since I am also on the Eyes Free list and work personally > side-by-side with Android developers, I find nothing in his article that is > stated incorrectly. > > I know for a fact that web views display all of the atrocious accessibility > issues that his article touches on because I've seen other Android users > talking about this very same thing on the Eyes Free list themselves. > > From my own experiences with my coworkers and my own team, developing for > Android is an accessibility nightmare if one is looking for some sort of > consistency or universal access. > > Please do not mistake the above for any lack of support for Google or > Android. I and my company, both would love to see nothing more than Android > be completely accessible and useful across the board. This just is not the > case right now. So please perhaps give the article another read and > seriously consider what Chris is saying. > > If people on any platform, decide to pass off a less-than-accessible > alternative as something that is accessible then it is truly a lousy move > for access tech as a whole. > > Thanks for your note and have a terrific day! > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > iOS design and development - LookTel.com > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:54 AM, Willem Venter <dwill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I find this article extremely biased and badly researched. He starts > off by saying he doesn't know android, the API or how to use it and > then tries to show how unusable it is. duh. > Making controls accessible works differently compared to other > platforms, but does not require "hundreds of lines of code". > While many things he says might or might not be true his lack of > proper research makes me cautious to accept any of his findings at > face value as many of the things he says seems to be thumb suck and > conjecture based on heavily biased personal opinion. The fact that he > bashes apple in another article won't make his research in this one > better. > > Note, weather I agree with him or not is not the issue. From > programming for android I know many of the things he says are false. > It's also not even talking android up over IOS as I don't know > objective C or the IOS API well enough to comment on it. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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