Hi Phillip, Is BGT only for audio game programming? Best Regards, Hayden -----Original Message----- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bennefall Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Genesis Engine was Retro Gaming
Hi Thomas, A good summary, in my opinion. The problem I have with a, shall we call it clicky-pointy tool is that it's ridiculously limited. Somebody asked on the audio game maker forum how easy it would be to make a sports game (I think it was basketball or socker or something). The response was, the engine doesn't support making a ball at this stage... I'll say no more. The way I'm doing it in Bgt, as I mentioned previously, is to build a powerful base that is capable of making pretty much anything. I still have to add a few things such as file IO, some processor demanding AI that can't be done so well through the script, parsing directory trees, encryption and decryption of files and strings etc, 3d vectors and advanced math, eventually networking and so forth. Though over-all, the core of the engine will stay unchanged and the only thing that will be added is extra modules. These, the script writer can simply include and use as though they were functions and classes that they had written themselves; #include, in other words. This will enable me to go as high level as I could possibly wish, even to the point of providing almost finished games where all you need to do is make a few tweaks to variables and supply sounds. This, however, would not be a good foundation for a core which is what the audio game maker tried to do. In short, I'm trying to provide the best of both worlds; extreme simplisity if you want it, and complete control once you've mastered the language operation enough. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <email@example.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Genesis Engine was Retro Gaming > Hi Philip, > That has been my concern as well. What seams perfectly easy to a > skilled programmer may not necessarily be that simple and straight > forward to someone who has no programming skills at all. The only > thing I can compare BGT to is the Audio Game Maker tool that was > released a couple of years ago which flopped. > In design the Audio Game Maker was really simple to use, or at least > was to me. You started the AGM up, created a new project, and were > placed on a 100 by 100 grid. You then could drag and drop objects on > the grid such as enemy objects, the player object, walls, etc. You > could point to a certain object and bring up a properties menu that > would allow you to configure the objects properties. For the more > advanced developer you could ignore the GUI tool altogether and modify > the xml scripts directly. However, one thing that became imediately > apparent is a lot of people had troubles using the Audio Game Maker. > For one thing it wasn't well documented for some users, and they > couldn't understand some of the key concepts involved from the get go. > For another the team who developed it were college students and pretty > much blew the project off after creating it. Which meant no official > technical support for the project which was really bad. However, those > problems aside I did manage to create a couple of simple games with it > and was able to figure out most things on my own without docs or > technical support just by experimenting with things. Although, I know > a lot of people couldn't. > I know with you BGT will be well documented and well supported so > those two problems won't be an issue here. However, the question of > how fast or quick people will learn how to use it remains to be seen. > We've had this situation before with Audio Game Maker and the GMA > Engine where people are eager to try the new game development tool > only to quickly get frustrated with it and give up on it. My personal > conclusion is, and has been, programming games isn't necessarily > something for the masses. It is difficult to take a very complex > subject like game programming, wich covers many different areas of > programming, and package it in a nice little tool that everyone can > easily understand and use. You either end up with the totally keep it > simple stupid design which lacks a lot of advanced features for > simplicity sake, or has every feature you can think of but is too > complex for the average user. I'll be interested to see how BGT is > recieved in our little community. > > Cheers! > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. 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