Hi Darren,

Agreed.Based on my personal experience it is often the case that
accessibility is a totally new concept for the programmer/developer.
Many of them have no idea what a screen reader is let alone how one
works or how to make anything compatible with it. As I said in my
prier post when you walk into a college or tech school class room
there is no time to spend on accessibility issues. The instructer has
several core programming concepts to cover, and by the time the course
is over you end up with the fundimentals of programming, but no real
sense of practical application. Especially, where access is concerned,
because those issues aren't discussed.

For example, back when I was learning one of the .NET languages I
recall a case where the author of the book was demonstrating changing
the size and style of the button in a sample application. I remember
running the application and the next thing I knew Jaws and Window-Eyes
wouldn't read the buttons or tell me what they were. Now, I'm certain
that was unintentional and the author had no idea that would happen
with a screen reader. He was only instructing based on his personal
knowledge and experience with the technology at hand. The big
difference between me and your average Joe was I had a screen reader
running right there, and found out the hard way what not to do.
Another sighted developer would have no reason or experience to expect
that a sample program like that would be inaccessible.

On 11/29/10, Darren Harris <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I also think it's a question as to how its put across.
> For example, I play a game called core exiles, it can be found at
> http://www.core-exiles.com
> Up until a year or so ago, the developer had no idea as to what making a
> game accessible was all about. Then the likes of dark and myself came along
> and said hey we wana play too! Well anyway with time he responded and most
> favourably and because we worked with him to help make it happen, the game
> has become far more playable.
> The problem is that making a game or any piece of software accessible is a
> brand new concept and I think to be very honest with you that too many
> people just expect it to be done rather than actually helping to bring about
> the end result. I'll give you an example, this morning 2 of us were helping
> the developer over irc chat to make a part of core exiles that was useable
> but not user friendly for screen readers to be much more user friendly. He
> asked for our help which is right because at the end of the day it's us that
> needs it he isn't going to know if the changes he implements work or not is
> he. So if we hadn't have helped him I doubt very much that the tweeks would
> have taken place. But because we did then not only did he do this, he's
> going to be encouraged by it and as such we can get more things done.
> It's a 2 fold problem. Yes people expect accessibility and I'm not saying
> they shouldn't, but I also think that those who expect it need to help bring
> it about in any way they can..

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