well lets not forget the ones that can't.
My grandpa is in that age group 80 pluss.
He can't even remember simple commands.
When he doesn't know whats going on he switches off the system or randomly pushes buttons to the point where I have to stay by the system or go out with him for a bit hoping it finnishes whatever or it will get stuffed.


Hi Dark.

I agree with every one of your points, and it was certainly not my intent to
imply that all persons in their 60's or older are useless or computer
illiterate.  Quite the oposite in fact, this is the point I make very day to
my students most of whom are in that age group that many many seniors are
embracing this technology and there is no reason whatsoever why they should
not do so as well.  My main reason for bringing up the demographics is
merely to point out that many though certainly not all people in that age
group either feel that the whole gaming thing is something for the younger
people or they are simply not interested.  Most of them are not going to go
out and buy a copy of something like Shades of Doom or Mota even assuming
they know that these things exist.  Yes I know there are going to be
exceptions but these organizations work on trends and statistics and
numbers.

Oh I totally agree with you about the asabat stuff I would not pay anything
for it even if I had any interest in card games, nor would I let any of my
students waste their money.

Lastly yes I agree that we need to do whatever we can to at least try to
alter the situation.

Best regards and game on.

Tom


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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage


Hi Tom.

What you say about demographics is perfectly true, however there are several

points to considder.

Firstly, even if we assume that all older blind people over the age of 60
(which if I remember rightly is roughly %75 of all blind people), will only
be interested in traditional games, there are far more (and imho far
better), examples of those sorts of games than just Azabat available,
however sinse Azabat have this image of only appealing to computer novices
and have got the backing of the rnib etc that's all people here about.

Take blackjack.

Azabat are selling blackjack for 13.5 usd. For this you get a game with
comparatively few sfx, and recorded speech.

In fact the only bennifit I can see in azabat blackjack is the use of
graphics.

Che however has a far more interesting version of the game available for far

less where you can play against others online.

if the online aspect is too complex, equally good free versions exist, and
personally I don't think the ability to run directly from the cd, ---- which

seems Azabat's main selling point, is worth the money (especially sinse it's

not difficult to setup a shortcut key for someone to use (which would
actually be easier, no chance of dropping the cd ;D).

So, even in that field things are covered.

Then however is the point that in fact not all people over 60 are
automatically useless.

I've for instance encountered players in core exiles who are in their 60's,
and the lady who lives next door to me uses her pc to do some quite complex
things with art and pictures, despite being in her 80's.

Heck, my dad is over 60 and loves racing, tank or plane sim, and puzle games

(if he lost his site he might very much enjoy some of the racing audiogames
available).

I actually thinkorganizations like the rnib are far too! insistant on
promoting people's helplessness.

Pluss if they are like the Rnib they simply forget that that %25 of younger
blind people even exist!

then, there is the fact that you mentioned, that it won't be so long before
some people who grew up in the 60's and 70's start losing their site as
well, and certainly they will want computer games to play (I've made the
same arguement to the rnib about recording more sf and fantasy books, though

they've not listened).

My point is, even with the demographic, things are stil i think far too
overblown and unknown about, and it really is a situation we should try to
alter.

Beware the grue!

dark.


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