Joseph, this thread emerged from Michael's post concerning his
interaction
with a developer, from which many folk have drawn the idea that his
careless
construction of messages possibly contributed to the negative aspect of
that
interaction. It is entirely appropriate to comment specifically on that
aspect of his post, since we all have an interest in having developers
not
already in the know about our community take us seriously. You have
seen
the comments of more than one sighted developer about how discouraging
such
things are initially. To their credit and our gain, they overcame that
discouragement and have gone on to provide us with some games.
By the way, for clarity, that should have read y'all's, the possessive,
rather than a bastardized, non-standard plural that happens also to
screw up
screen readers. And your deliberate error is amusing, and telling.
Don't like my commentary, then go elsewhere.
Chris Bartlett
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
On
Behalf Of Joseph Weaver
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
You guys need to quit targeting michael and get off your high horses, it
seems like you only discuss this issue after his posts, I don't have
any
trouble understanding them. Y'alls problem is that you love to complain
to
much, now of you don't understand maybe next time he should speak in
first
grade terms an really slow for you.
(NWA) no winning aloud, if you don't like the grammar get over it.
Ps. That word is misspelled.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MissWings <misswi...@lorettotel.net> wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I for one agree with adding the guideline about proofreading posts
before
sending them to the list, because good communication skills are
important,
especially for us when we're dealing with sighted people. I'll admit I
never actually read a post of mine, but I'm also a very good speller and
know how to punctuate things well, so grammar and spelling aren't as
much of
an issue for me. I say include the guideline though, and if someone
doesn't
like it, it's their loss. The guideline would only be used to help
people,
not as a criticism, in my opinion.
Jessica
At 08:49 AM 12/17/2011, you wrote:
Hi Jeremy,
Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As
you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted
developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most
sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they
have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its
our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step
at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent,
competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say
about their products and services.
Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on
Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you
how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor
grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling errors. Like it or
not if a sighted person reads those messages we will be judged one and
all as not very intelligent, as lacking communication skills, etc.
Bottom line, if we want the mainstream public's respect we have to
work for it, and not forgo proper language and writing skills for
convenience sake.
Here at Audyssey we considered adding proofreading to the list
guidelines to improve the quality and clarity of the posts.
Unfortunately, there were some individuals that took serious offense
to that, and felt that the moderators were going too far. All I can
draw from their reaction is they don't care about being taken
seriously and want the rest of the sighted world to view us
negatively, because that's exactly what will happen if they send a
poorly written message to a person or company who has no experience
with the blind. In short, good communication skills will go a long
ways to bridging the gap between the blind and sighted communities.
Cheers!
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