Nope not till they apologize to michael and last I checked it's still a free country.
Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, Shiny protector <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Joseph, > > People here are only trying to help Michael and give him better advice here > on this mailing list. I see know harsh comments directed at Michael here, and > I think you should take the js comment back and apologise to the mailing list. > > I may not be a moderator of this list, but I know the js word is a foul word, > so please refrain from using language like that on this mailing list. I am > only trying to help you here. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Weaver" <[email protected]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? > > >> You failed my test and did exactly what I thought you would. I am a >> southerner so that word is pretty common. >> Now that your done judging me and my friend michael who he and I live in the >> same town since we were kids. I am going to use my freedom is speech to >> tell you, your correction to my message and possibly this one, that you are >> a pompous Jackass that needs to quit judging and stacking your own people. >> >> >> >> >> Your words don't hurt me, but if you try mine may hurt you. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:22 PM, "Christopher Bartlett" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Joseph, this thread emerged from Michael's post concerning his interaction >>> with a developer, from which many folk have drawn the idea that his careless >>> construction of messages possibly contributed to the negative aspect of that >>> interaction. It is entirely appropriate to comment specifically on that >>> aspect of his post, since we all have an interest in having developers not >>> already in the know about our community take us seriously. You have seen >>> the comments of more than one sighted developer about how discouraging such >>> things are initially. To their credit and our gain, they overcame that >>> discouragement and have gone on to provide us with some games. >>> >>> By the way, for clarity, that should have read y'all's, the possessive, >>> rather than a bastardized, non-standard plural that happens also to screw up >>> screen readers. And your deliberate error is amusing, and telling. >>> >>> Don't like my commentary, then go elsewhere. >>> >>> Chris Bartlett >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Joseph Weaver >>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM >>> To: Gamers Discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? >>> >>> You guys need to quit targeting michael and get off your high horses, it >>> seems like you only discuss this issue after his posts, I don't have any >>> trouble understanding them. Y'alls problem is that you love to complain to >>> much, now of you don't understand maybe next time he should speak in first >>> grade terms an really slow for you. >>> >>> (NWA) no winning aloud, if you don't like the grammar get over it. >>> >>> Ps. That word is misspelled. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MissWings <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Thomas, >>>> >>>> I for one agree with adding the guideline about proofreading posts before >>> sending them to the list, because good communication skills are important, >>> especially for us when we're dealing with sighted people. I'll admit I >>> never actually read a post of mine, but I'm also a very good speller and >>> know how to punctuate things well, so grammar and spelling aren't as much of >>> an issue for me. I say include the guideline though, and if someone doesn't >>> like it, it's their loss. The guideline would only be used to help people, >>> not as a criticism, in my opinion. >>>> >>>> Jessica >>>> >>>> At 08:49 AM 12/17/2011, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Jeremy, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As >>>>> you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted >>>>> developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most >>>>> sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they >>>>> have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its >>>>> our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step >>>>> at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, >>>>> competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say >>>>> about their products and services. >>>>> >>>>> Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on >>>>> Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you >>>>> how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor >>>>> grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling errors. Like it or >>>>> not if a sighted person reads those messages we will be judged one and >>>>> all as not very intelligent, as lacking communication skills, etc. >>>>> Bottom line, if we want the mainstream public's respect we have to >>>>> work for it, and not forgo proper language and writing skills for >>>>> convenience sake. >>>>> >>>>> Here at Audyssey we considered adding proofreading to the list >>>>> guidelines to improve the quality and clarity of the posts. >>>>> Unfortunately, there were some individuals that took serious offense >>>>> to that, and felt that the moderators were going too far. All I can >>>>> draw from their reaction is they don't care about being taken >>>>> seriously and want the rest of the sighted world to view us >>>>> negatively, because that's exactly what will happen if they send a >>>>> poorly written message to a person or company who has no experience >>>>> with the blind. In short, good communication skills will go a long >>>>> ways to bridging the gap between the blind and sighted communities. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>>>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> [email protected]. >>>>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>>>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2108/4086 - Release Date: 12/17/11 >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> [email protected]. >>>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> [email protected]. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> [email protected]. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [email protected]. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to [email protected]. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to [email protected]. --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. 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