Agreed. And I didn't know about the Oubliette business. A bit ironic, no? On 2/5/12, Shadow Dragon <[email protected]> wrote: > Just wanted to put in my two cents here. This is a reply to a message posted > > a while back. You can't really say you don't know what's going on on the > screen when you actually do and can learn how to tell. I picked up the > pokemon games just fine without sighted assistance, all I needed to do was > find an FAQ on the internet and learn a bit of the menu structure. And fight > > games are extremely playable, just because a game isn't an audiogame doesn't > > mean you can't play it, or even that you need someone sighted to help you > play it. I'm actually a little surprised at all of this, since you were the > > one that found oubliette, mike, back before it was made accessible in any > way, and you didn't seem to have a problem with that until I pointed out a > few flaws. Playing mainstream games is much the same, and 9 times out of 10 > > they have more depth than audiogames by far, the only game comprable at all > > to anything mainstream, in my opinion at least, is Bokurano Daiboukenn. > Airik the Cleric falls far, far short of the mark, but it's closer than > most, along with entombed and sound RTS. Bokurano might as well just be a > mainstream game though. Anyway I basically just wanted to say that there are > > a lot of neat games out there if you're willing to experiment, and just > because it doesn't say that it's for the blind or that it's an audiogame > doesn't mean it should hold you back from playing it. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Paul Lemm" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 02:18 PM > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! > >> Hi, >> >> I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like >> mortal >> combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because >> I've >> never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight >> but >> surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for >> instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you >> they >> are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no >> sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them >> >> a >> try myself. >> >> >> --Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON >> Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! >> >> I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and >> they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't >> do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my >> point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got >> permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come >> cheaply. >> >> On 2/5/12, Clement Chou <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to >> figure >>> >>> out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and >>> listening. >>> Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, >>> mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled >> with >>> >>> self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that >> are >>> >>> indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off >>> as >>> not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly >> is >>> >>> wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of >>> willingness >>> for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced >>> so >>> many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be >>> voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different >> thing, >>> >>> but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and >>> get >>> the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my >>> personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game >> which >>> >>> is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one >> of >>> >>> us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And >> if >>> >>> not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted >>> assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why >>> I >>> almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can >>> get >>> into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out >>> menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most >> fighting >>> >>> games have a similar main menu structure. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> [email protected]. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [email protected]. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [email protected]. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to [email protected]. >
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