I aggree, if windows security ran like linux security we wouldn't
have a problem.
Most stuff works and thats fine.
I have not experimented, but I guess I could try the home folder rout
though since windows never natively handled it right before its going
to be a heck of a learning curve.
As it is ie as well to the protections it has in xp has a protected
mode that does not impact accessability software or at least nvda anyway.
Then there is the performance lag, its a bit of a non reason to have
it enabled.
Its why in a lot of oses stuff like visuals and a lot of security is
disabled, well all that causes issues because ms have never writen
anything, ok besides msse maybe in the security department that
doesn't have some issue or other.
Dark, seriously the win7 interface is not that bad, takes a bit to
learn, the win8 interface now thats a major jump but I'm sure I will
grow to like it.
Ofcause it doesn't help that game devs though on the way to changing
have been for the last 10 years have been using old languages, vb6
and older for example for their games.
Dotnet and c++ programming is still new for us really, with only a
few titles round the place.
Hopefully bgt will eaven that score some.
However with that all going for it, we still have a large persentage
of our games, in fact bat 1-2% of our games that are converted most
are still using old code.
Some will change but not all.
Some can't be bothered and some have other reasons not to upgrade.
And then there is the effort to transfer, most stuff by mainstream
standards is quite simple and therefore I'd imagion the willingness
to port just for a new os may not be there for maybe the smaller
devs, I'd feel the same.
And it sounds like with win8 in nay case that every old concept of
accessability is out the window, msaa, mirror drivers and it appears
even sapi, as I have had some people online saying sapi on games
doesn't work at all.
So the entire market will change.
The vm seems to be the only way to get games going.
Though since the ms vm will have the same code on it that could
become a security risk for game devs since you could happily share
codes even for hardware because the os id would be the same for the
vm unless I am not getting it right.
One things for sure, we are going to have to radically change
everything and I am not sure if we can or at least can fast.
At 01:03 p.m. 10/03/2012 +0000, you wrote:
Hi Tom.
This makes sense, but once again it sounds like a stupidity of
windows 7 done by microsoft which won't really be of bennifit to most people.
For instance, I like to personally separate my games, if
interpreters and such frokm important programs like avg, supernova,
and any windows components I need. That way, if I'm testing a game,
it doesn't matter if I have to go into the folder and muck about
with the directory manually, so I have all my games and such
installed in a folder called fun program files.
This would be totally impossible on windows 7, furthermore the uac
would prevent me from mucking about in that folder, copying game
files, such as storing extra rail racer tracks, or copying stuff
into those files.
once again a reason why i really don't want windows 7, ---- even
apart from the interface, ---- and with all the problems I've
mentioned before caused by user account errors on xp, I'm not really
inclined to trust a similar and even more restrictive system on windows 7.
That's why I personally just have avg antivirus to deal with spyware
and such, and avg pc tuneup to deal with registry errors, junk
files, disk defragging and the like, which seems to work fine.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark,
Well, I can answer that one. Microsoft's User Account Control, UAC, is
a security system which is there to prevent users and applications
from modifying secured files, folder, and programs without an admin
level user name and password. This is similar to the program sudo
found on Linux that performs essentually the same functionality. As a
result the idea here is to prevent hackers, trojans, viruses, and
worms from accessing restricted areas of the operating system.
Generally it is a good idea to use UAC for that additional layer of
security, but unfortunately not everything written for Windows is UAC
compliant.
For example, if you download one of Jim Kitchens games, say Football,
it will save all the season standings, settings, etc to data files in
the Kitchensinc folder. Well, because Microsoft was extremely lax on
security issues on 9t5, 98, Millennium, XP, etc it was perfectly ok to
do that. So we can't blame developers like Jim for saving data to the
installation directory because it was the easiest thing to do.
However, with Vista and now Windows 7 Microsoft decided to get
security conscious and have created User Account Control similar to
sudo on Linux to prevent programs from accessing various secured areas
on the hard drive including Program Files and Program Files (x86)
which unfortunately is where many games save their data to. With UAC
enabled Windows 7 assumes the game is attempting to illegally access
said directories and sometimes said program crashes because its being
blocked by UAC. One of the best ways to fix said problems is to turn
off UAC, but in doing so you end up removing that extra layer of
security in the process. What I do instead is right click on the
program's icon select admin, and press enter. This launches the app as
administrator and I can leave UAC on so that I get both the security
as well as play older games that haven't been updated with UAC
compatibility.
I think most people tell end users to turn UAC off simply because they
don't know how to get around it. There are several ways to set up an
app and make it coexist with UAC without disabling UAC. One way is to
install the app locally in
c:\users\username\programs
which means it will run locally for that individual user. Another way
is to click on the icon and select run as admin from the pull down
menu. Finally, on Windows 7 Ultimate there is a way to customize UAC
so it will not block certain programs. So there isn't any need to
disable UAC if you know how to run older programs on Windows 7
correctly.
Cheers!
On 3/9/12, dark <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Kurt.
In the kitchinsinc directory, all the monopoly board files are just called
monopolyboardname, as one word, for instance monopolyboardaircraft or
monopolyboardbeatles, so you can just delete them as normal.
to be honest though, from everything I've heard, why have you got uac on
anyway? Almost every single program I've found advises you to turn it off
if you want stuff to run properly on windows 7.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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