Dark,

While "equal effort" access might be a laudable ideal goal, don't
forget that all companies are subject to economies of scale, and that
blind users are a very small percentage.  It's going to cost less per
user to focus on the 99% non-blind users than the 1% blind, and
there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it. It's simply a
law of economics and production.

There are only two ways to fund higher proportional spending for
minority production:  subsidize it using majority production, or sell
the minority independently for a higher price.  Personally, I'm
willing to pay a bit more to support minority interfaces like screen
readers and command line access, largely because I use them; but like
everyone else, there is a limit on what I'm willing to pay, and for
most people that limit is substantially lower than mine.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:54 AM, dark <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Tom.
>
> that's bad news in my book. I'm afraid I strongly disagree on your statement
> of a blind user "getting used to the way sighted users do things for purpose
> of accessibility" simply on the basis of the deffinition of access.
>
> It would be possible for a paraplegic to get out of his/her wheel chair and
> drag themselves up a flight of stairs on their hands. We don't however say
> "Get used to doing this because it's what normally walking people do" simply
> because we recognize that the amount of effort involved to the paraplegic in
> such an undertaking is wildly unreasonable.
>
> I'd apply the same principle here. Accessibility is not just being able to
> do x or y, it's do with equal effort. For a sighted user, having a maximal
> range of information in the one location provides less effort sinse they can
> use the mouse to click it after a visual overview. This is not true for a
> blind user, and there is absolutely no reason why they should! from an
> access perspective get used to anything.
>
> myself, sinse I regard computers simply as tools, I'd be in favour of any
> and all work arounds to make the blind users' use of a computer as easy as
> the sighted users, ie, requiring same amounts of effort.
>
> if this involves redesigning the interface, turning off features x y z, so
> be it.
>
> As to the job markit, well once again there is a principle from my thesis.
> Just as it would be unreasonable to expect a sighted based business to go
> over entirely to braille, it would be equally unreasonable to expect a blind
> employee to use software that took significantly more effort. This requires
> a level of compitance from both the blind user, and indeed the employer in
> coming to an understanding that best serves the needs of the blind user
> wcompromising ithout the employer.
> This is why in my thesis I advocate an independent body be setup to oversee
> disability related debates in employment and leasure who have skills and
> knolidge of disability, but have no vested interest either way.
>
> In the absense of such a body though, I'm inclined simply to say "stick it,
> the effort needs to be equalized" especially given the current impossibility
> of anyone disabled getting a job at all anyway.
>
>
> Beware the Grue!
>
> Dark.
>
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