Hi Charles,
No it doesn't. But that's how much I've come to trust big companies these
days from years of experience of company's complete disregard and disrespect
for the disabled. And my experience with the IPhone just blew it for me.
Our kind are talking about adapting to the rest of the world's methods.
Sometimes the rest of the world makes this impossible for us, and if the
rest of the world went blind tomorrow...Well, I won't say what's on my mind
because that sort of attitude boils me into a rage, because they can never
seem to be able to put themselves in our shoes, just for one small second,
but yet we're expected to walk the earth for them half the time.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
I know. To think that touch screens are made accessible to some but not
all in order to get around the law doesn't make sense, does it?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Maslo" <mmaslo1...@swbell.net>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
Wow an example of the thinking of some blind people's
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:02 PM, "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
wrote:
Not so. The built-in screen reader tells you what you're highlighting.
Your thinking would be like saying that a computer isn't accessible
because we have to use a keyboard rather than the quick way that sighted
people can access stuff using the mouse. They can see what is on the
screen and use the mouse to click on it. We have to use a screen reader
and keyboard. Just because we have to use a different method to
accomplish the same thing doesn't mean that we can't do it.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Pendleton"
<dam...@blunderfield.plus.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
Hi Brian,
The thing is, they're only accessible because we've had to use dirty
workarounds to access things that sighted people can access quicker
than we can even use a computer. They can see which part of the screen
they are touching, they can see how to do all the moves right, so
they've got no need to worry. They seem to have it all handed to them
on a plate where we have to crawl in the dirt to get access to what we
need.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message ----- From: <bpeterson2...@cableone.net>
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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
I think you're missing the point though. Touch screens are cheaper to
make and qite frankl last longer since eventually buttons will give
out. My laptop for instance is missing te Tab key. Besides, now tat
it's been proven that touch screens CAN be made accessible I can see a
big leap forward in terms of our technology.
Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake
Titicaca!
-----Original Message----- From: Damien Pendleton
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:25 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
Hi Dark,
If I were to go into my deepest thoughts about touch screen, I'd have
to ban
myself for profanity. Trust it to say, I hate them with a passion and
think
that adding voiceover to a touch screen device is just another corrupt
twisted pro sighted business way of conning the law and getting away
with
discrimination. The fact that so many VI people have found a way to
conquer
that is rather impressive to me, and if that's the case, then so be
it. But
I think it's rather unnecessary to have to do that when the business
itself
should make more of an effort. Just because they don't know we exist,
or
choose to believe we don't exist, doesn't make us go away. And if
companies
continue to design things in their own eye happy way, in another
twenty or
thirty years it's probably unlikely we'd be able to use anything in
the
mainstream market and we'll be right back to square one with specially
designed excessively expensive products and the like.
That's only my opinion, I know tons of you won't agree, but this
debate goes
slightly away from games so I don't want this to turn into a full
blown
argument as to which is the best operating system to work with.
That's me off my soapbox now.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message ----- From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
I must admit I'm planning on an Iphone myself when my laptop busts,
since these days I just need something portable, and there are more
and more really awsom sounding games for it.
I understand there will be a learning curve, but actually I will
probably use games to help me with that, for instance playing text
games to learn about screen navigation, the same way that playing
online web games got me familiar with site navigation.
Of course, I've not tried one yet, so I might be jumping to
conclusions, but from the sound of it touch screens are the way to
go, and I'm intreagued by the idea of one that works with screen
reading.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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