In a message dated 7/6/01 2:01:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<<  grandis do--like someone turned off
 the internal light--so they are still greenish in
 tint, not reddish like the ones pictured.  Their size
 is about right, though.  Any ideas?  >>
Hi-
If they are not Dubia, then perhaps they are one of the vnigra subspecies?
Jason

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