Thanks so much, Leann for your posts. It appears from what you're saying that even if the vet were to verify that she has Crypto, there isn't much the vet could give her to help that I could only get from him. Would there be anything wrong with my treating her under the assumption that's what she has (as you described below)? What foods would you recommend?
Diane > The huge abdominal mass is yet another symptom of Crypto. In geckos, > Pepto-Bismol (yep, its exactly what you think that is) has helped with the > swelling. It provids relief to the intestinal and stomach pain, often > allowing them to eat without regurgitating. Again, this was tested on > geckos with Crypto. > > Dab a drop on the front of the nose close to the nostril and they lick it > off. Twenty minutes later, geckos will be much more willing to eat > without > refusal. The tablet form is useful as there is a minimum amount of > aspirin > (geckos can be sensitive to aspirin). The other plus for the table form > -- > it has lots of calcium. Crush up the tablet and give them a very small > piece. > > Bismuth sibsalicylate (generic form of Pepto-Bismol) prior to feeding. > > If the gecko can eat and maintain its strength, the immune system has a > chance to fight the crpto. Disrupting the life cycle of crypto seems to > be > the most effective treatment (keep them from reinfecting themselves), plus > eliminating any co-existing infections (often other parasitic treatments > occur), and providing supportive care (relieve symptoms, feed easy to > digest > foods, correct husbandry). Very few anticoccidial have provided effective > although spiramycin and papamomycin have help in few cases. The only > promising treatment is Hyperimune bovine colostrum, which is not > commercially available (difficult to obtain except in trials) to > veterinarians > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 7:41 AM > Subject: [gecko]RE: gecko digest, Vol 1 #1091 - 4 msgs > > >>I hand fed mine babyfood (chicken mixed with a little water and calcium >> dust) by using a syringe and putting a dab of it on her face. She would >> lick off quite a bit. I did eventually have to have her euthanized >> because she had a huge abdominal mass. It cost about 35 dollars to have >> her put down. Good luck. >> >> Lynn Hall >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:01 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: gecko digest, Vol 1 #1091 - 4 msgs >> >> Send gecko mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of gecko digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> 2. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (Jamie A. Stine) >> 3. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (J Aherns) >> 4. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (Leann Christenson) >> >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:28:40 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [email protected] >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> >> Thanks for the advice. I got her to eat about three mealworms last >> night, >> even without cutting their heads off. I just dropped them into the >> enclosure in front of her, one at a time. However, in the morning I >> found >> them regurgitated. So I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take her >> to >> the vet, although I don't have much confidence in any of the local vets >> as >> far as leos are concerned. I cleaned her enclosure today and am waiting >> for her furniture to dry off to put it and her back in it. Maybe that >> will >> perk her up a bit -- or not. >> >> Diane >> >> >>> I hand fed two very sick geckos, one leopard and one fat tail. The >> best >>> way I found to get them to eat is to cut head off of the mealworm, >> then >>> hold the mealworm body with the open end and some of the guts hanging >> out >>> in front of the geckos mouth. You can also gently touch the guts to >> the >>> geckos mouth. Both my geckos would then lick their faces and while >> they >>> were doing that, I would try to slip the meal worm in. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Date: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:21 pm >>> Subject: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>>> My older gecko Na?Toth seems to be wasting away. She hasn?t been >>>> eatingmany of the mealworms I?ve been feeding her, so I tried >>>> crickets. In >>>> order to get her to notice them I have to take out all of the >>>> furniturefrom her enclosure so it?s just her and the crickets. >>>> After a while when >>>> she stops eating I put her furniture back so she can go and hide >>>> again.She ate several a few days ago but then the next day I found >>>> regurgitatedcrickets in the enclosure. >>>> >>>> I had the same sort of problem with her a couple of years ago and >>>> took her >>>> to a vet. At that time the problem turned out to be that the >>>> temperaturein her cage wasn?t warm enough. That?s definitely not >>>> the case this time. >>>> I had to try to force feed her while she was recovering, which was >>>> a trial >>>> because we never could get her to open her mouth ? even the vet >>>> couldn?tdo it! >>>> >>>> She?s been a weird gecko from the beginning. I bought her in a pet >>>> store(yeah, I know?) and all she?s ever wanted to do is hide. >>>> She?s totally >>>> different from Sadie, the gecko I bought from Julie, who?s a little >>>> glutton and has a definite personality. She?s a doll! >>>> >>>> This might sound cruel, but I?m not sure I want to spend a lot of >>>> money or >>>> time trying to find out what?s wrong with Na?Toth and then trying >>>> to get >>>> her better, under the circumstances. I also don?t want her to starve >>>> herself to death, because I know that has to be painful. Is it >>>> possible to >>>> euthanize a gecko like a dog or cat? >>>> >>>> Diane >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Global Gecko Association >>>> http://www.gekkota.com >>>> Classifieds >>>> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >>>> gecko mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:18:52 -0500 >> From: "Jamie A. Stine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> >> ------=_Part_21456_18198458.1146428332223 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Content-Disposition: inline >> >> uhm.... Might I ask why you're feeding mealies in the first place? >> IMHO, >> mealies shouldn't be a staple food source for geckos -- they're too >> crunchy. The exoskeletons are very difficult to digest.. >> >> Anyway, that being said, what does her poop look like? IS she pooping? >> She could have an impaction from built up chitin from the mealies, >> that's >> why I'm asking. >> >> Jamie A. Stine >> >> On 4/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the advice. I got her to eat about three mealworms last >> night, >>> even without cutting their heads off. I just dropped them into the >>> enclosure in front of her, one at a time. However, in the morning I >> found >>> them regurgitated. So I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take >> her t= >> o >>> the vet, although I don't have much confidence in any of the local >> vets a= >> s >>> far as leos are concerned. I cleaned her enclosure today and am >> waiting >>> for her furniture to dry off to put it and her back in it. Maybe that >> wil= >> l >>> perk her up a bit -- or not. >>> >>> Diane >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Jamie A. Stine >> Chat Host and Moderator, The Melleri Discovery >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Yahoo IM: TankDiveGirl >> AIM: CalvusGirl >> >> http://www.myspace.com/tmelleri >> http://www.melleridiscovery.com >> >> ------=_Part_21456_18198458.1146428332223 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Content-Disposition: inline >> >> uhm.... Might I ask why you're feeding mealies in the first place? >> IM= >> HO, mealies shouldn't be a staple food source for geckos -- they're too >> cru= >> nchy. The exoskeletons are very difficult to >> digest..<br><br>Anyway, = >> that being said, what does her poop look like? IS she >> pooping? = >> She could have an impaction from built up chitin from the mealies, >> th= >> at's why I'm asking. >> <br><br>Jamie A. Stine<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On >> 4/30/06, = >> <b class=3D"gmail_sendername"><a >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> imail.com</a></b> <<a >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> m</a> >> > wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" >> style=3D"border-left: 1= >> px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: >> 1ex;"= >>>Thanks for the advice. I got her to eat about three mealworms last >> night,<= >> br> >> even without cutting their heads off. I just dropped them into >> the<br>enclo= >> sure in front of her, one at a time. However, in the morning I >> found<br>the= >> m regurgitated. So I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take her to >> <br>the vet, although I don't have much confidence in any of the local >> vets= >> as<br>far as leos are concerned. I cleaned her enclosure >> today = >> and am waiting<br>for her furniture to dry off to put it and her back in >> it= >> . Maybe that will >> <br>perk her up a bit -- or >> not.<br><br>Diane<br><br><br></blockquote></div= >>><br>-- <br>Jamie A. Stine<br>Chat Host and Moderator, The Melleri >> Discover= >> y <br><br><a >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> </a><br><a >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a= >>><br><br>Yahoo IM: TankDiveGirl<br>AIM: CalvusGirl<br><br><a >> href=3D"http:/= >> /www.myspace.com/tmelleri">http://www.myspace.com/tmelleri</a><br><a >> href= >> =3D"http://www.melleridiscovery.com";> >> http://www.melleridiscovery.com</a> >> >> ------=_Part_21456_18198458.1146428332223-- >> >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:03:08 -0700 (PDT) >> From: J Aherns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko >> To: [email protected] >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> >> Mealworms are just fine for your geckos.I know many >> breeders that only feed them with no problems.You may >> want to email goldengategeckos.com for the sluery that >> she uses it is great. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> Jodi L Aherns >> 612.802.3980 >> www.groundgeckofreak.com >> >> >> >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 4 >> From: "Leann Christenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko >> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:18:15 -0500 >> Organization: Leaping Lizards Day Geckos >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C66C8A.D4E71B00 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> One of the parasite that is often looked over by veterinarians is = >> Cryptosporidium . This is because it requires a specific test that most >> = >> veterinarians do not do in house. It must be specifically requested. >> >> I mention this because you are describing two of the most common = >> symptoms - wasting and regurgitation. =20 >> >> Regretfully, Crypto is becoming more and more common in the leopard = >> gecko population, especially pet store leopard geckos. Crypto is spread >> = >> by fecal contact that gets into the mouth. Leopard geckos eat crickets >> = >> that walk on the bottom of enclosure. The crickets step into infected = >> droppings (poop or what ever you call it) and then the gecko eats them. >> = >> The infected gecko begins to waste away, usually over a long time = >> period, regurgitates its food and finally becomes very weak and dies. >> =20 >> >> Many keepers think Crypto ends in death for any gecko who gets it. = >> However, in a number of instances, the gecko can survive. Through strict >> = >> quarantine, keeping the gecko's enclosure very clean (remove fecal = >> matter the minute you see it), providing easy to digest food, and treat >> = >> other symptoms can a gecko have a chance of survival. Quarantine is = >> also very important in order to keep Crypto from spreading to any other >> = >> geckos in your collection. =20 >> >> There is so much to say about Crypto. I am not a vet and cannot say = >> that your gecko has this, but because of the rising incidence of Crypto, >> = >> it should be considered. Whether or not you decide to test for Crypto, >> = >> take all precautions just in case it is. =20 >> >> If you would like more information about Crypo, how to nursed the sick = >> gecko, or necessary quarantine practices to safeguard other geckos, I = >> would be glad to share more. >> >> Leann Christenson >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: Jamie A. Stine=20 >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko >> >> >> uhm.... Might I ask why you're feeding mealies in the first place? = >> IMHO, mealies shouldn't be a staple food source for geckos -- they're = >> too crunchy. The exoskeletons are very difficult to digest.. >> >> Anyway, that being said, what does her poop look like? IS she = >> pooping? She could have an impaction from built up chitin from the = >> mealies, that's why I'm asking.=20 >> >> Jamie A. Stine >> >> >> On 4/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:=20 >> Thanks for the advice. I got her to eat about three mealworms last = >> night, >> even without cutting their heads off. I just dropped them into the >> enclosure in front of her, one at a time. However, in the morning I >> = >> found >> them regurgitated. So I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take >> = >> her to=20 >> the vet, although I don't have much confidence in any of the local = >> vets as >> far as leos are concerned. I cleaned her enclosure today and am = >> waiting >> for her furniture to dry off to put it and her back in it. Maybe = >> that will=20 >> perk her up a bit -- or not. >> >> Diane >> >> >> >> >> --=20 >> Jamie A. Stine >> Chat Host and Moderator, The Melleri Discovery=20 >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Yahoo IM: TankDiveGirl >> AIM: CalvusGirl >> >> http://www.myspace.com/tmelleri >> http://www.melleridiscovery.com >> ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C66C8A.D4E71B00 >> Content-Type: text/html; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> >> <HTML><HEAD> >> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = >> charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name=3DGENERATOR> >> <STYLE></STYLE> >> </HEAD> >> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of the parasite that is often = >> looked over by=20 >> veterinarians is Cryptosporidium . This is because it requires a = >> specific=20 >> test that most veterinarians do not do in house. It must be = >> specifically=20 >> requested.</FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I mention this because you are = >> describing two of=20 >> the most common symptoms - wasting and regurgitation. = >> </FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regretfully, Crypto is becoming more = >> and more=20 >> common in the leopard gecko population, especially pet = >> store leopard=20 >> geckos. Crypto is spread by fecal contact that gets into the = >> mouth. =20 >> Leopard geckos eat crickets that walk on the bottom of enclosure. >> = >> The=20 >> crickets step into infected droppings (poop or what ever you = >> call=20 >> it) and then the gecko eats them. The infected gecko = >> begins to=20 >> waste away, usually over a long time period, regurgitates its food and = >> finally=20 >> becomes very weak and dies. </FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many keepers think Crypto ends >> in=20 >> death for any gecko who gets it. However, in a number of = >> instances,=20 >> the gecko can survive. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Through = >> strict=20 >> quarantine, keeping the gecko's enclosure very clean (remove fecal = >> matter the=20 >> minute you see it), providing easy to digest food, and treat other = >> symptoms can=20 >> a gecko have a chance of survival. Quarantine is also very = >> important in=20 >> order to keep Crypto from spreading to any other geckos in your=20 >> collection. </FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is so much to say about = >> Crypto. I am=20 >> not a vet and cannot say that your gecko has this, but because of the = >> rising=20 >> incidence of Crypto, it should be considered. Whether or = >> not you=20 >> decide to test for Crypto, take all precautions just in case it = >> is. =20 >> </FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you would like more information = >> about Crypo, how=20 >> to nursed the sick gecko, or necessary quarantine practices to safeguard >> = >> other=20 >> geckos, I would be glad to share more.</FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Leann Christenson</FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> >> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 >> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> >> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> >> <DIV=20 >> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = >>black"><B>From:</B>=20 >> <A [EMAIL PROTECTED] = >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Jamie A.=20 >> Stine</A> </DIV> >> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A> = >> </DIV> >> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 30, 2006 = >> 3:18=20 >> PM</DIV> >> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [gecko]Sick -- = >> probably=20 >> dying -- gecko</DIV> >> <DIV><BR></DIV>uhm.... Might I ask why you're feeding mealies in the = >> first=20 >> place? IMHO, mealies shouldn't be a staple food source for = >> geckos --=20 >> they're too crunchy. The exoskeletons are very difficult to=20 >> digest..<BR><BR>Anyway, that being said, what does her poop look = >> like? =20 >> IS she pooping? She could have an impaction from built up >> = >> chitin=20 >> from the mealies, that's why I'm asking. <BR><BR>Jamie A. = >> Stine<BR><BR> >> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 4/30/06, <B = >> class=3Dgmail_sendername><A=20 >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A></B> <<A=20 >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> > = >> wrote:</SPAN>=20 >> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20 >> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: = >> rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Thanks=20 >> for the advice. I got her to eat about three mealworms last = >> night,<BR>even=20 >> without cutting their heads off. I just dropped them into = >> the<BR>enclosure=20 >> in front of her, one at a time. However, in the morning I = >> found<BR>them=20 >> regurgitated. So I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take her = >> to=20 >> <BR>the vet, although I don't have much confidence in any of the = >> local vets=20 >> as<BR>far as leos are concerned. I cleaned her enclosure >> = >> today=20 >> and am waiting<BR>for her furniture to dry off to put it and her = >> back in it.=20 >> Maybe that will <BR>perk her up a bit -- or=20 >> not.<BR><BR>Diane<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>-- <BR>Jamie A.=20 >> Stine<BR>Chat Host and Moderator, The Melleri Discovery <BR><BR><A=20 >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] = >> </A><BR><A=20 >> = >> href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A><BR><BR >>>= >> Yahoo=20 >> IM: TankDiveGirl<BR>AIM: CalvusGirl<BR><BR><A=20 >> = >> href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/tmelleri";>http://www.myspace.com/tmelleri >> <= >> /A><BR><A=20 >> = >> href=3D"http://www.melleridiscovery.com";>http://www.melleridiscovery.com >> <= >> /A>=20 >> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C66C8A.D4E71B00-- >> >> >> >> >> --__--__-- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Global Gecko Association - Digest Version >> http://www.gekkota.com >> Classifieds >> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >> gecko mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >> >> >> End of gecko Digest >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Global Gecko Association >> http://www.gekkota.com >> Classifieds >> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >> gecko mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > _______________________________________________ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
